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Old 05-02-2012, 23:23   #1
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Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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The government's focus on alleged fraud and overclaiming to justify cuts in disability benefits has caused an increase in resentment and abuse directed at disabled people, as they find themselves being labelled as scroungers, six of the country's biggest disability groups have warned.
Some of the charities say they are now regularly contacted by people who have been taunted on the street about supposedly faking their disability and are concerned the climate of suspicion could spill over into violence or other hate crimes.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

This was bound to happen with the propoganda the government put out.

all we can do is sit back and watch.

society are and always will be sheep. they can't and never will see through the hypnotism. they're too weak.

all we can do is sit back and watch.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

It is very possible that the quoted 'insult' was just joking around.

It was Labour who started any so called 'campaign' with the introduction of ESA.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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It is very possible that the quoted 'insult' was just joking around.

It was Labour who started any so called 'campaign' with the introduction of ESA.
Did you read the article?Which insult do you think was meant to be a joke?

We have had lots of cases recently where vulnerable people with learning difficulties have been targeted by bullies and it has even resulted in one mother committing suicide after killing her daughter because of abuse by a local yobbo gang.This before all of this campaign began.I can see more vulnerable disabled people being targeted by such because the government is supporting the idea that the vast majority of disabled are not entitled to our help and compassion in their pathetic attempts to sell their austerity package.It doesn't take much for such scum to use any excuse.We will probably see people hauled out of wheelchairs to prove they are faking..or be falsely reported on the fraud line.

I already bought the idea of austerity but not at the expense of those unable to defend themselves.
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Did you read the article?Which insult do you think was meant to be a joke?

We have had lots of cases recently where vulnerable people with learning difficulties have been targeted by bullies and it has even resulted in one mother committing suicide after killing her daughter because of abuse by a local yobbo gang.This before all of this campaign began.I can see more vulnerable disabled people being targeted by such because the government is supporting the idea that the vast majority of disabled are not entitled to our help and compassion in their pathetic attempts to sell their austerity package.It doesn't take much for such scum to use any excuse.We will probably see people hauled out of wheelchairs to prove they are faking..or be falsely reported on the fraud line.

I already bought the idea of austerity but not at the expense of those unable to defend themselves.
There appears to be one alleged specific 'insult' mentioned in the article. I had read the article to see exactly how many real examples were given to back up the claims. I found just the one flimsy example. How many specific examples are you saying that there are in the article?

The other abuse case you are mention has absolutely nothing to do with this story in relation to benefit cuts.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

There always has been and will always be abuse of disabled people .The fact that some charities have chosen to link such abuse to government policy on benefit fraud and welfare cuts is a disgrace .In doing this the charities will segregate the disabled section of society even more .What do these charities think will happen ?do they think the government will do a 'u' turn and cancel all the reforms based on a few stories from charities and organisations we know are against the cuts ?
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There always has been and will always be abuse of disabled people .The fact that some charities have chosen to link such abuse to government policy on benefit fraud and welfare cuts is a disgrace .In doing this the charities will segregate the disabled section of society even more .What do these charities think will happen ?do they think the government will do a 'u' turn and cancel all the reforms based on a few stories from charities and organisations we know are against the cuts ?
I think it's relative to what side of the fence you're on. I take it you're not sick or disabled. It's like when you have a relationship breakdown, you notice that every song on the radio is all you and the breakup so to speak. So to me when I read that article it's like 'at last' something positive (spoken up for) to the plight of the sick and disabled instead of all the vilifications of late. But I'm sure you probably won't agree with that either.

I see you do have a lot so say about benefits yet it really doesn't affect you, of course you are well entitled to your opinion but because myself being on the other side of the fence I obviously see things slightly differently, because it matters more so.

I'm sure you read what BBC says and watch their programs like saints and sinners highlighting all the scroungers that are claiming benefits that are better off than you and that you have formed your opinion based on something that doesn't affect you as a whole. I'm sure no matter what they now say in the media it will not sway you to see what it is really like to a lot of people, and it's that kind of ignorance those that are hit have to put up with and fight.

Well done the Guardian for that article.
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Re: Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

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There appears to be one alleged specific 'insult' mentioned in the article. I had read the article to see exactly how many real examples were given to back up the claims. I found just the one flimsy example. How many specific examples are you saying that there are in the article?

The other abuse case you are mention has absolutely nothing to do with this story in relation to benefit cuts.
I bet that young girl was on benefits though so it does have relevance.The disabled already face all sorts of problems without having their situation trivialised as just a jokey insult.
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I think it's relative to what side of the fence you're on. I take it you're not sick or disabled. It's like when you have a relationship breakdown, you notice that every song on the radio is all you and the breakup so to speak. So to me when I read that article it's like 'at last' something positive (spoken up for) to the plight of the sick and disabled instead of all the vilifications of late. But I'm sure you probably won't agree with that either.

I see you do have a lot so say about benefits yet it really doesn't affect you, of course you are well entitled to your opinion but because myself being on the other side of the fence I obviously see things slightly differently, because it matters more so.

I'm sure you read what BBC says and watch their programs like saints and sinners highlighting all the scroungers that are claiming benefits that are better off than you and that you have formed your opinion based on something that doesn't affect you as a whole. I'm sure no matter what they now say in the media it will not sway you to see what it is really like to a lot of people, and it's that kind of ignorance those that are hit have to put up with and fight.

Well done the Guardian for that article.
Your ignorance is astounding .How you can say it doesn't affect me beggars belief .No i am not disabled or in receipt of any benefits and no i don't watch (as a rule) any of the programs you mentioned ,i don't need to ,i see it with my own 2 eyes every time i go into such a persons house to work .Maybe you should start thinking how lucky you are that you live in a country that gives you disability/sickness/unemployment payments instead of moaning that the people that support you i.e the tax payer want the money managed in a more efficient way so that we don't have to keep paying more into a system that is riddled with fraud and misuse
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There are over 6.9 million disabled people of working age which represents 19% of the working population.
I find it staggering that with our cradle to the grave NHS that so many people are considered as disabled. I suspect the definition has been greatly broadened in order to massage the jobless figures.

There must have been a time in ages past when these people would have had to have worked and a "bad back" or some ill defined malingering would just be an inconvenience rather than a meal ticket for life.

Whilst genuinly disabled must be given help it annoys me to see a car with a disabled badge park in the disabled bay and the driver positively leaps out to go shopping. It's that sort of abuse that needs to be checked. And before I get castigated, yes I know that some symptoms come and go but if you're having a good day shouldn't you leave the disabled bay empty for someone more deserving?

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I find it staggering that with our cradle to the grave NHS that so many people are considered as disabled. I suspect the definition has been greatly broadened in order to massage the jobless figures.

There must have been a time in ages past when these people would have had to have worked and a "bad back" or some ill defined malingering would just be an inconvenience rather than a meal ticket for life.

Whilst genuinly disabled must be given help it annoys me to see a car with a disabled badge park in the disabled bay and the driver positively leaps out to go shopping. It's that sort of abuse that needs to be checked. And before I get castigated, yes I know that some symptoms come and go but if you're having a good day shouldn't you leave the disabled bay empty for someone more deserving?

Some more disability stats
Totally agree ,even fat people are classed as disabled nowadays ,and before anyone castigates me i know that some weight problems can be caused by medical issues but it should never be classed as a disability imo
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.I can see more vulnerable disabled people being targeted by such because the government is supporting the idea that the vast majority of disabled are not entitled to our help and compassion in their pathetic attempts to sell their austerity package.

The government is not suggesting anything of the sort.

The government are not in control of the compassion of the population.

If you want to help a disabled person, and show them compassion I'm pretty sure you're allowed to do so without government interference
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They better remember who to vote for next time there is an election!!!

Is this what this nation has come to, the disabled people and poor and even the middle class paying the price for the wrongdoings of the rich super-rich and major companies!!!
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Is this what this nation has come to, the disabled people and poor and even the middle class paying the price for the wrongdoings of the rich super-rich and major companies!!!
So what's new? It's always been like that.
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