Bring Back Fox Hunting

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

I know ,i made that point earlier in the thread and that's why i don't see why they want the ban withdrawn .The difference now is they cannot go out with the intention of killing a fox ,which would attract people who otherwise wouldn't join a hunt and figures support that because hunt membership has increased quite a lot since the ban ,as i pointed out earlier also

Hmm not sure you have grasped the concept of the legislation, they do still go out with the sole intention of killing foxes and the use of guns has made that intention some what easier and should the gun only wound the animal more foxes are being savaged, mauled, ripped to pieces etc than ever before.

Duke of Buccleuch’s huntsman Trevor Adams told H&H that Lord Watson’s comments were misguided.



“Certainly there are more foxes being killed than before because we have added guns to the equation,� he said.

“Hounds are killing foxes that have been wounded by the guns — probably twice as many as previously.�

“But as a piece of legislation, it does nothing for animal welfare; in fact, more foxes are being killed by methods that are less humane.�

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/310840.html

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Linky?

Uk


More foxes are being killed and more people are hunting with hounds than before the hunting ban


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4724028.stm


Scotland


The number of foxes being killed in Scotland has almost doubled following the ban on traditional hunting.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ntroduced.html

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Originally Posted by denphone

Then please enlighten me to what would be your description of them Hugh.

Lets hope it's a some what better description than yours which reminded me of that arch buffoon Tony Banks jumping up and down shouting "that showed the toffs" the night hunting was banned, obviously some one more interested in some sort of class warfare than animal welfare.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Lets hope it's a some what better description than yours which reminded me of that arch buffoon Tony Banks jumping up and down shouting "that showed the toffs" the night hunting was banned, obviously some one more interested in some sort of class warfare than animal welfare.

Well first thing first Tony Banks was a idiot so to make comparisions between him and me is frankly laughable and at the end of the day my main concern first and foremost is animal welfare and nothing more then that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well first thing first Tony Banks was a idiot so to make comparisions between him and me is frankly laughable and at the end of the day my main concern first and foremost is animal welfare and nothing more then that.

When you use phrases like tally ho brigade expect comparisons to be made and also expect any genuine concernes for animal welfare you have to be tainted by such drivel imo.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hmm not sure you have grasped the concept of the legislation, they do still go out with the sole intention of killing foxes and the use of guns has made that intention some what easier and should the gun only wound the animal more foxes are being savaged, mauled, ripped to pieces etc than ever before.

Duke of Buccleuch’s huntsman Trevor Adams told H&H that Lord Watson’s comments were misguided.



“Certainly there are more foxes being killed than before because we have added guns to the equation,� he said.

“Hounds are killing foxes that have been wounded by the guns — probably twice as many as previously.�

“But as a piece of legislation, it does nothing for animal welfare; in fact, more foxes are being killed by methods that are less humane.�

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/310840.html

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I do understand it thank you and yes that does happen and it is a very dubious application of the act ,they are allowed to kill the fox if it is injured (or they believe it to be injured) the fact that they injured it (possibly deliberately) could land them in court .Also the pro hunting lobby will use any evidence to show the act is not working ,which is shooting themselves in the foot(excuse the pun)because the more evidence they give showing it is not working the more they prove it has been most beneficial to the farmers/chicken owners ect because they are killing more foxes ,hunts have increased providing more jobs and no income has been lost .

[denphone]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

When you use phrases like tally ho brigade expect comparisons to be made and also expect any genuine concernes for animal welfare you have to be tainted by such drivel imo.

Well thats what it is all about in that you have your opinion and l have mine and lets just leave it at that.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

When you use phrases like tally ho brigade expect comparisons to be made and also expect any genuine concernes for animal welfare you have to be tainted by such drivel imo.

Exactly the point I was trying to make...

[devilincarnate]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I was being amused at your emotive stereotyping....

(especially the image of fox hunters enjoying their sadistic fun even though it is scent trails and dummies - giving the dummies a good thrashing, were they?)

Sounds like one of the parties that I have been to

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Exactly the point I was trying to make...

Thats why i stick to barberian's with a blood lust, Its far more fitting.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

I do understand it thank you and yes that does happen and it is a very dubious application of the act ,they are allowed to kill the fox if it is injured (or they believe it to be injured) the fact that they injured it (possibly deliberately) could land them in court .Also the pro hunting lobby will use any evidence to show the act is not working ,which is shooting themselves in the foot(excuse the pun)because the more evidence they give showing it is not working the more they prove it has been most beneficial to the farmers/chicken owners ect because they are killing more foxes ,hunts have increased providing more jobs and no income has been lost .

It's the act itself that's dubious, how can it be legal to use 2 hounds to flush a fox out and shoot it but not 3 and yet use as many dogs as you like to flush it out for your eagle owl and interestingly enough the High Court decided that flushing out didn't consitute hunting anyway.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

T o be honest Den quite a lot of hunt members are just everyday people ,they are not all landed gentry by any means

Still basically *******s with a warped bloodlust.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

It's the act itself that's dubious, how can it be legal to use 2 hounds to flush a fox out and shoot it but not 3 and yet use as many dogs as you like to flush it out for your eagle owl and interestingly enough the High Court decided that flushing out didn't consitute hunting anyway.

Don't get me wrong i do agree with you .It is a half assed piece of legislation that has more loopholes than a crocheted dioly.
The pro hunt lobby cannot complain though if the aim of foxhunting was to control foxes as they have always claimed then it is a success as more foxes are being killed .
As i evidenced earlier in the thread hunt membership has gone up with none of the mass hound slaughter ,job losses,or hunt closures predicted ,so if i was a pro hunt lobbyist i would perhaps just keep quiet .
And as you quite correctly said in your earlier post the government have far more important things to use the available parliamentary time on

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Originally Posted by Masque

Still basically *******s with a warped bloodlust.

most definately

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Masque

Still basically *******s with a warped bloodlust.

Indeed

Can one have an unwarped bloodlust?

(just asking....)

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Can one have an unwarped bloodlust?

(just asking....)

No idea. Depends what they do i suppose.

Spreading the blood of a kill on children's faces

In fact taking kids to a kill and making them watch a bunch of animals rip another animal to pieces is just down right barbaric.

Screaming at the dogs and laughing at the poor animal they are killing for enjoyment

In fact there not only barbaric they are neanderthal in nature as well.

Originally Posted by Sirius

In fact taking kids to a kill and making them watch a bunch of animals rip another animal to pieces is just down right barbaric.

I'd argue it's a tad more honest than bringing them up to believe that cuddly-wuddly Brer Fox and his woodland chums live a civilised existence in which they enjoy nothing more than a tea party under the great oak tree.

Your point of view on this issue is borne out of the unique time and place in which you live. Most of the rest of the world simply doesn't see the natural world through such rose-tinted lenses.