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Old 25-08-2009, 01:23   #1
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Bring Back Fox Hunting

says senior tory

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...g-1776160.html

Personally I don't think we should have wasted as much time as we did debating it in parliment, the country had and has much more pressing issues to deal with, although it did rather annoy me to hear that arch buffon Tony Banks shouting ''that showed the toffs'' when it finally was banned, he was obviously more interested in some sort of class discrimination than any issues of animal rights/cruelty and besides if the figures are true about the huge increase in fox deaths since the ban then I am all for it staying and it's a shame we cant do the same in the cities, I am sick of seeing the mess they create and the occasional cat being chased.
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TBH I can't understand what motivates people to want to kill wild creatures using overwhelming force, hardly sport is it? Now if the animals could fight back on equal terms I'd be happy with that but then I suppose it would lose its appeal to some people.
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Of course the ban on fox hunting had nothing to do with over 1 million in donations to the Labour Party from the organisation, Political Animal Lobby. (Link)

As if Labour would do something corrupt for money, you know, like planning to ease the ban on smoking sponsorship just for Formula 1, never mind Trade Union donations and other donations below 1million.
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TBH I can't understand what motivates people to want to kill wild creatures using overwhelming force, hardly sport is it? Now if the animals could fight back on equal terms I'd be happy with that but then I suppose it would lose its appeal to some people.
Interesting that you defend poor little foxy woxy whilst being quite happy to see your fellow man die. I agree with you though it's not sport, it's pest control and I'll sign up to anything the gets rid of as many of them as possible as quickly as possible.
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Interesting that you defend poor little foxy woxy whilst being quite happy to see your fellow man die. I agree with you though it's not sport, it's pest control and I'll sign up to anything the gets rid of as many of them as possible as quickly as possible.
The difference there is that people have a choice, foxes don't..

If foxes are considered a pest in an area (and no they're not a common pest) then there's a lot more effiecient and humane ways of disposing of them than being torn to pieces by a pack of dogs..
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The idea of Fox Hunting is not to eradicate them, but provide a limiting factor on their numbers.
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The idea of Fox Hunting is not to eradicate them, but provide a limiting factor on their numbers.
I'd agree with you in the past, but in the last few decades before it was banned it turned more into a sport...
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The difference there is that people have a choice, foxes don't..

If foxes are considered a pest in an area (and no they're not a common pest) then there's a lot more effiecient and humane ways of disposing of them than being torn to pieces by a pack of dogs..
Very emotive terminology your using there, torn to pieces, still I bow to your greater knowledge of hunts, seeing as I have never been on one and I absolutely agree with you about how efficient we are becoming, you only have to see the increase in exterminating them since the ban was brought in and I guess we can be sure that it isn't only the old, lame and full of mange that's being ''torn to pieces'' either but the young and the healthy being shot, suits me
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TBH I can't understand what motivates people to want to kill wild creatures using overwhelming force, hardly sport is it? Now if the animals could fight back on equal terms I'd be happy with that but then I suppose it would lose its appeal to some people.
That sounds like a great sport. On the home leg the fox gets hunted and on the return leg Chinless Inbred-Tory gets hunted by a load of foxes. It would be unfair to expect foxes to control dogs so they should be armed with sub machine-guns to level things up.
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Very emotive terminology your using there, torn to pieces, still I bow to your greater knowledge of hunts, seeing as I have never been on one and I absolutely agree with you about how efficient we are becoming, you only have to see the increase in exterminating them since the ban was brought in and I guess we can be sure that it isn't only the old, lame and full of mange that's being ''torn to pieces'' either but the young and the healthy being shot, suits me
Since when has hunting with dogs only gone for the old and lame?? If so then it wouldn't be much good as pest control then anyway???

Here in the village there used to be a few hunts and more and more places were being taken up by city boys who were turning it into a commerial hunt purely for the sport..

I've no qualms about shooting rabbits decemating our field and probably would shoot a fox if it was attacking chickens...
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there's a lot more effiecient and humane ways of disposing of them than being torn to pieces by a pack of dogs..


Sounds like a very quick death to me that does.

Would you rather they be shot from distance and die slowly in some hedge?

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TBH I can't understand what motivates people to want to kill wild creatures using overwhelming force, hardly sport is it? Now if the animals could fight back on equal terms I'd be happy with that but then I suppose it would lose its appeal to some people.


So your happy with dog fighting?

Look its kind of a sport but at the end of the day foxes are vermin a pest who eats lambs, chickens etc and spread diseases . They need controlling in some way hey will breed and before you know it we are over run in the city and countryside with theses pests.

Many years ago I looked after 20 chickens when I was a butcher I had a thing for theses chickens as you do when you feed an animal daily. One day I opened the hatch everyone bar two had the head ripped of just there bodies left!! Mr fox did not have the decency to eat the chickens he just mindlessly killed them for fun!!! This upset me ever since I have been in favour of fox control.

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Since when has hunting with dogs only gone for the old and lame?? If so then it wouldn't be much good as pest control then anyway???

Here in the village there used to be a few hunts and more and more places were being taken up by city boys who were turning it into a commerial hunt purely for the sport..

I've no qualms about shooting rabbits decemating our field and probably would shoot a fox if it was attacking chickens...
I would have thought they wouldn't have much chance of catching a young, healthy fox, which is why I am in favour of shooting them and the ban staying in place, as I have said all through the thread.

Interesting and quite sad that you say it was city boys in your village, I recognised or knew nearly everyone participating in my old towns, which's only up the road from you incidentally, it was handy as it meant I could moan at them for delaying me when I next saw them.

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Sounds like a very quick death to me that does.

Would you rather they be shot from distance and die slowly in some hedge?
Or snared
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Sounds like a very quick death to me that does.

Would you rather they be shot from distance and die slowly in some hedge? :
Shooting if done right is the fastest way of killing the fox outright.. but I'd be perfectly happy with cage trapping and humane disposal if foxes were a problem in an area..

Weird thing is that we talk to all the local farmers in this area which has a high fox and badger population and none of them have problems at all with them..

In the end though the arguements for fox hunting is nothing to do with pest control but more to do with income for the people involved (hence it became a sport)
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Interesting that you defend poor little foxy woxy whilst being quite happy to see your fellow man die. I agree with you though it's not sport, it's pest control and I'll sign up to anything the gets rid of as many of them as possible as quickly as possible.
Yes, you're right, fellow man is a bit of a pest.
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Many years ago I looked after 20 chickens when I was a butcher I had a thing for theses chickens as you do when you feed an animal daily. One day I opened the hatch everyone bar two had the head ripped of just there bodies left!! Mr fox did not have the decency to eat the chickens he just mindlessly killed them for fun!!! This upset me ever since I have been in favour of fox control.
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That surprises me. I though foxes only killed what they could eat.

Maybe the fox was framed. Did you interview the 2 surviving chickens? They could have been the Rose and Fred West of the poultry world but didn't have the resources to build a patio.
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