Application Throttling/Management

[Acathla]

and I assume that they won't throttle the legal transactions that take place on Usenet?
Oh no wait, they can't tell what's being downloaded/uploaded over SSL.

So are they going to assume that just because I transfer files via Usenet that they are illegal? I'm not an expert but I am sure thats some sort of Defamation

[Impz2002]

Originally Posted by Acathla

and I assume that they won't throttle the legal transactions that take place on Usenet?
Oh no wait, they can't tell what's being downloaded/uploaded over SSL.

So are they going to assume that just because I transfer files via Usenet that they are illegal? I'm not an expert but I am sure thats some sort of Defamation

They will not be throttling based on weather the files your downloading are legal it is just the fact that you are downloading large amounts so it could be a movie or the latest linux distro it dosnt matter to them its all GB's and thats all they are bothered about. Its just another example of VM's tight fisted tactics to sell the service you pay for to someone else !

Impz

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by Impz2002

They will not be throttling based on weather the files your downloading are legal it is just the fact that you are downloading large amounts so it could be a movie or the latest linux distro it dosnt matter to them its all GB's and thats all they are bothered about. Its just another example of VM's tight fisted tactics to sell the service you pay for to someone else !

Impz

They have such great ideas, us poor lot on VM can't even use that Steam or Valve or whatever its called! to download PC games as heaven forbid if you do you are STM'd, throttled, deemed a pirate....I know who needs throttling around here, and its not us customers!

Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian

If they are going to throttle Usenet traffic to combat piracy..... why have they provided access to a shiny new Newsgroup server with more binary groups than we had before with NTL?

Because if you use VM's newsgroups they save on bandwith as its all internal

It's not about piracy per say, more about you using GB's of external bandwith to which they do not want to pay for.

[kev445]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Because if you use VM's newsgroups they save on bandwith as its all internal

It's not about piracy per say, more about you using GB's of external bandwith to which they do not want to pay for.

TraxData I know they have issues with external bandwidth congestion; however isn’t the bigger problem UBR congestion?

In some area's yes, in most areas games actually cause more problems than bittorrent though.

[NotaVMFan]

Originally Posted by TraxData

In some area's yes, in most areas games actually cause more problems than bittorrent though.

Which basically VM trying to lower their debt rather than sorting the network properly stuffing the Customer in the process week by week...

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by TraxData

In some area's yes, in most areas games actually cause more problems than bittorrent though.

How come games cause more problems? and its only VM who seem to have the most trouble, my connection is shocking at times when I am playing on xbox live, or the connection will vary from good to my connection is being routed via pluto so games are unplayable. Lovely VM have stated there is nothing they can do and its obviously my xbox - heaven forbid its their service

Going off this throttling business (dare I say this?) but game ports are going to be throttled as well? And who wants a bet on when VM will start throttling the standard internet port (80 and 8080 aren't they?)

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

How come games cause more problems? and its only VM who seem to have the most trouble, my connection is shocking at times when I am playing on xbox live, or the connection will vary from good to my connection is being routed via pluto so games are unplayable. Lovely VM have stated there is nothing they can do and its obviously my xbox - heaven forbid its their service

Going off this throttling business (dare I say this?) but game ports are going to be throttled as well? And who wants a bet on when VM will start throttling the standard internet port (80 and 8080 aren't they?)

Games cause problems on sky as well, thus why they no longer let you keep interleaving on (i believe?)

They use more uplink bandwith than you think and believe it or not there is alot more gamers than there is p2p users online at the same time, each card is only 38mbit and uplinks soon get saturated (this is the main reason for slow speeds, rather than people downloading 24/7)

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Games cause problems on sky as well, thus why they no longer let you keep interleaving on (i believe?)

They use more uplink bandwith than you think and believe it or not there is alot more gamers than there is p2p users online at the same time, each card is only 38mbit and uplinks soon get saturated (this is the main reason for slow speeds, rather than people downloading 24/7)

Sounds like VM need to invest (oops dirty word around them that!) in the newer technology to allow people to play online games, wont ever happen though and they will always find some excuse to blame people for things not working the way they should.

Nice to know its us gamers then who are causing problems, time to let me neighbours who have 360's and ps3's to know about it and connect to my accidentally open wireless network (only open at nite when I am home) and play games merrilly away

[grubbymitts]

PANIC! RUN TO THE HILLS!

Has anyone thought that the fact that Virgin Media have actually denied this for once may mean that it isn't in fact going to happen? As we all know, they are not known for outright denying things.

I'm not doubting Traxdata or his sources. I'm sure throttling has been discussed at some point, but in business lots of ideas get discussed and not all of them are implemented. I used to be a union rep at a massive company and was privvy to a lot of changes that were discussed that would be as shocking to some people as this throttling idea is. Yet, I can tell you now that a lot of the ideas that were floated around and minuted, discussed and even had an action date (like throttling's third quarter 08 or first quarter 09 for example) didn't come to fruition because they were just ideas.


tl;dr - Ideas get thrown about business all the time. Chill baby, it probably won't happen.

Originally Posted by grubbymitts

PANIC! RUN TO THE HILLS!

Has anyone thought that the fact that Virgin Media have actually denied this for once may mean that it isn't in fact going to happen? As we all know, they are not known for outright denying things.

I'm not doubting Traxdata or his sources. I'm sure throttling has been discussed at some point, but in business lots of ideas get discussed and not all of them are implemented. I used to be a union rep at a massive company and was privvy to a lot of changes that were discussed that would be as shocking to some people as this throttling idea is. Yet, I can tell you now that a lot of the ideas that were floated around and minuted, discussed and even had an action date (like throttling's third quarter 08 or first quarter 09 for example) didn't come to fruition because they were just ideas.


tl;dr - Ideas get thrown about business all the time. Chill baby, it probably won't happen.

They publically denied STM as well

And if you read their reply it actually states they are *not* using it now *publically*, they CANNOT publish details about any type of trials at all, so they wont say it.

[BenMcr]

but in business lots of ideas get discussed and not all of them are implemented

Indeed, and sometimes goes further than that. In 2005/6 ntl were going to put everyone on the same broadband speed and charge for data usage instead. Staff got issued with Internal product books that said for ALL the broadband speeds "10Mb coming soon", they all had training on the usage tracker that was going to be introduced and a provisional date was briefed.

Never happened

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Benmar

Indeed, and sometimes goes further than that. In 2005/6 ntl were going to put everyone on the same broadband speed and charge for data usage instead. Staff got issued with Internal product books that said for ALL the broadband speeds "10Mb coming soon", they all had training on the usage tracker that was going to be introduced and a provisional date was briefed.

Never happened

And that's because its far easier to cram as many users as they can on the network and just STM it to hell while only investing in STM.

[grubbymitts]

Originally Posted by TraxData

They publically denied STM as well

And if you read their reply it actually states they are *not* using it now *publically*, they CANNOT publish details about any type of trials at all, so they wont say it.

"Virgin Media has an open and transparent traffic management policy listed at www.virginmedia.com/traffic. Our policy does not discriminate internet traffic by application and we have no plans to do so. Whilst we do use equipment from Allot within parts of our cable network, this is used to build usage metrics and does not affect customers’ service in any way. It is certainly not used to do any form of packet shaping or change internet traffic priorities.”

Trax, I'm having difficulty finding that in there. I suppose you could read it like that if you squint a little, move words about and generally put more in. I've ordered you a tinfoil hat, all in the name of goodhearted fun of course.

I hope you are completely wrong