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Old 15-02-2017, 20:15   #76
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Our railway need to be nationalised, if people lose money on it tough.
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Re: Southern rail strike talks to be held on second day of commuter misery

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Our railway need to be nationalised, if people lose money on it tough.
How will that help? Apart from the government rolling over and playing patticake to the unions.
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How will that help? Apart from the government rolling over and playing patticake to the unions.
Well the current franchise system cannot go on as it is as it has been a total unmitigated downright disaster unless you think otherwise heero.
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Re: Southern rail strike talks to be held on second day of commuter misery

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The union wants GTR to guarantee a second "safety-critical" member of staff on trains.
In other words when the guard calls in sick, the train cannot run at all. It is the unions causing any bad service.
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Our railway need to be nationalised, if people lose money on it tough.
Opinion polls for many years now have consistently revealed that 60% of the public want the railways nationalised rather then have the current chaotic mess we currently have.
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Opinion polls for many years now have consistently revealed that 60% of the public want the railways nationalised rather then have the current chaotic mess we currently have.
And how would that change anything? It wasn't exactly problem free before. The SAME staff will be there.
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Re: Southern rail strike talks to be held on second day of commuter misery

Transport for London works well under public ownership so l don't see why we cannot do the same with our current chaotic privatised railway system.

Also just because Nationalisation was poorly managed in the past does not mean we cannot adopt this model going forward as the key is to learn from past mistakes and build a better model going forward.
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Transport for London works well under public ownership so l don't see why we cannot do the same with our current chaotic privatised railway system.

Also just because Nationalisation was poorly managed in the past does not mean we cannot adopt this model going forward as the key is to learn from past mistakes and build a better model going forward.
And how is it different?
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Tube drivers on the Central line are to stage a 15-hour strike over the "displacement" of staff.
Members of the Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers Union (RMT) will walk out at 21:00 on 21 February.
Drivers on the Central and Waterloo & City lines went on strike in January in the same dispute.
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Steve Griffiths, London Underground's chief operating officer, said the drivers have been asked "to move to another line where they would make a real difference to the service our customers receive".
And the unions are against it. Make those drivers redundant, as they are not needed where they are.
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Re: Southern rail strike talks to be held on second day of commuter misery

So you are quite happy with our railways as they are then? as l am talking about the wider problem's of our current privatised railways unless you don't think these widespread problems with it don't exist?.
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And how would that change anything? It wasn't exactly problem free before. The SAME staff will be there.
And the same union dinosaurs that are the problem in trying to modernise working practices. I'm not claiming that the current franchise system is fault free but nationalisation will achieve nothing.
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Re: Southern rail strike talks to be held on second day of commuter misery

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38994965

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Aslef members have rejected a deal with Southern rail that would have ended a long-running industrial dispute.
It had been arguing with parent firm, Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR), over driver-only operated (DOO) trains.
Members of the drivers' union rejected the deal by 54.1% to 45.9%. The turnout was 72.7%.
It goes on and on and on..
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And how would that change anything? It wasn't exactly problem free before. The SAME staff will be there.
You might want to look up Connex (particularly South Eastern). Believe me (I am a long term commuter) when I say that reliability on the South Eastern franchise improved almost exponentially within a few weeks after Connex was fired and the franchise re-nationalised.

As far as I can tell, they didn't even do anything particularly revolutionary. They re-organised their administration so that the platform information systems were operated from the same building as the Signals (Connex moved the staff managing there platform information systems to a building apparently at the other end of Kent because it was cheaper, then asked the staff to stay in touch via email and phone). They also re-jigged the timetables a little to free up vehicles and space for busier lines.

The problem with the system as it is is simple. Blame. I know several people who work in various positions in the the Railways, and they find that because everything has been divided up, when something goes wrong, the contractors spend a lot of time (and money) trying to apportion blame to someone else rather than fix the problem.

Another example of where effectively nationalising a railway line has worked. London Overground and TFL Rail. Both consist of failing and very unreliable line. Both now run by TFL and effectively part of the underground system, and are running a *lot* more reliably than they ever did, simply because TFL invested in them, rather than shareholders.

Personally, I am under no illusions as to the reliability of the system under British Rail (it went through phases where it was brilliant, and phases where it was terrible), and I don't really care whether the railways are run by a public company/authority or a private company. What I do care about is that the service is relatively cheap (ours is not) and relatively reliable (and at the moment, ours is not).
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You might want to look up Connex (particularly South Eastern). Believe me (I am a long term commuter) when I say that reliability on the South Eastern franchise improved almost exponentially within a few weeks after Connex was fired and the franchise re-nationalised.

As far as I can tell, they didn't even do anything particularly revolutionary. They re-organised their administration so that the platform information systems were operated from the same building as the Signals (Connex moved the staff managing there platform information systems to a building apparently at the other end of Kent because it was cheaper, then asked the staff to stay in touch via email and phone). They also re-jigged the timetables a little to free up vehicles and space for busier lines.

The problem with the system as it is is simple. Blame. I know several people who work in various positions in the the Railways, and they find that because everything has been divided up, when something goes wrong, the contractors spend a lot of time (and money) trying to apportion blame to someone else rather than fix the problem.

Another example of where effectively nationalising a railway line has worked. London Overground and TFL Rail. Both consist of failing and very unreliable line. Both now run by TFL and effectively part of the underground system, and are running a *lot* more reliably than they ever did, simply because TFL invested in them, rather than shareholders.

Personally, I am under no illusions as to the reliability of the system under British Rail (it went through phases where it was brilliant, and phases where it was terrible), and I don't really care whether the railways are run by a public company/authority or a private company. What I do care about is that the service is relatively cheap (ours is not) and relatively reliable (and at the moment, ours is not).
The same people would have drawn up the timetable, before and after. Timetable changes do not happen overnight or in a few weeks, and may well have been planned beforehand.
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