Child grooming gang found guilty

Originally Posted by Russ

I'm very surprised at that observation. The race of the 'very bad men' in these gangs never seems to be white/British.

The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.

I don't think folks are arguing that it's a race crime. They are arguing that it is a crime disproportionately being committed by those of a certain race.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The fact is that they don't pick the girls according to race but according to vulnerability..but carry on thinking it is a race crime.You all seem to have made up your minds about that.

You'll find that at no point in this thread whatsoever have I commented or hinted at the ethnicity, colour or race of the victims.

Originally Posted by Chris

I don't think folks are arguing that it's a race crime. They are arguing that it is a crime disproportionately being committed by those of a certain race.

The only real difference is the way in which the victims are targeted.Other rings use the internet and social media.I recall a ring in Portsmouth in the 80s that targeted young vulnerable girls in much the same way as this group..they were white.

My point is that the crime of pedophilia is the same however the victims are targeted.it's always the same crime but just a different approach made to the victims and the race of the group is entirely immaterial..

[Russ]

Go to Google and type in 'sex gang in court'.

See if you can spot a recurring theme in each case about the perpetrators.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Tthe race of the group is entirely immaterial..

Not true.

The race of the perpetrators is entirely material, if the crime is being disproportionately committed by those of a particular ethnic background. There is a mine of information there that is very useful for crime detection and prevention. Just so long as we're not hamstrung by hand-wringing political correctness of course.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

The only real difference is the way in which the victims are targeted.Other rings use the internet and social media.I recall a ring in Portsmouth in the 80s that targeted young vulnerable girls in much the same way as this group..they were white.

My point is that the crime of pedophilia is the same however the victims are targeted.it's always the same crime but just a different approach made to the victims and the race of the group is entirely immaterial..

It is this kind of " head in the sand" , "can't see the wood for the trees" , denial and apologistic attitude that has let these Asian sex rings profligate.

[greeninferno]

Is this not more a case of if there is a "ring" they are more likely to be the same race?

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by greeninferno

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

Race, religion, culture, values, personal evil , A mix of all

It doesn't have to "proven". It's there to be seen

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by greeninferno

Is this not more a case of if there is a "ring" they are more likely to be the same race?

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

Only if there is a high enough concentration of potential participants, that they can simply ask the person standing next to them.

When calculating numbers involved, it should be remembered that the gangs pass them around the country and therefore the actual number of sex offenders is MANY times the number actually convicted. Eg if 5 are convicted, it is possible that 100 others were also involved.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by greeninferno

Can it be proven that paedophilia is more prevalent in one race over another?

I'd say there's zero evidence in that idea. What does seem prevalent in certain races/cultures however is how they go about their crimes.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Only if there is a high enough concentration of potential participants, that they can simply ask the person standing next to them.

When calculating numbers involved, it should be remembered that the gangs pass them around the country and therefore the actual number of sex offenders is MANY times the number actually convicted. Eg if 5 are convicted, it is possible that 100 others were also involved.

You're providing speculation and expecting it to be treated with equal weight to hard evidence. Sorry, but that won't do.

The evidence is clear. As more and more of these rape gangs are uncovered, time and time again, the Asian/Pakistani community is found to be grossly over-represented amongst the perpetrators, in comparison with the proportion of such people of that background in the population as a whole.

Sorry if that slaughters your sacred cow, but frankly it's about time. Crime must be tackled wherever it's found, whoever's doing it, and whatever's behind it.

[Taf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Crime must be tackled wherever it's found, whoever's doing it, and whatever's behind it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

You're providing speculation and expecting it to be treated with equal weight to hard evidence. Sorry, but that won't do.

The evidence is clear. As more and more of these rape gangs are uncovered, time and time again, the Asian/Pakistani community is found to be grossly over-represented amongst the perpetrators, in comparison with the proportion of such people of that background in the population as a whole.

Sorry if that slaughters your sacred cow, but frankly it's about time. Crime must be tackled wherever it's found, whoever's doing it, and whatever's behind it.

I was responding to the claim that a gang is highly likely to be of the same "race". I was pointing out the additional factor of finding someone that wanted to join in. In these cases they are often brothers and people who live or work in the same area. Not many "races" could do that and certainly not without the risk of approaching somebody who didn't want to join in and instead they reported it to the police.

I was also pointed out that for every Asian/Pakistani that is convicted there are many who are not. Those that are not convicted are not in any figures, therefore under-representing the true scale of the issue.

Originally Posted by nomadking

I was responding to the claim that a gang is highly likely to be of the same "race". I was pointing out the additional factor of finding someone that wanted to join in. In these cases they are often brothers and people who live or work in the same area. Not many "races" could do that and certainly not without the risk of approaching somebody who didn't want to join in and instead they reported it to the police.

I was also pointed out that for every Asian/Pakistani that is convicted there are many who are not. Those that are not convicted are not in any figures, therefore under-representing the true scale of the issue.

Sorry ... your post in the context of the one you were replying to gave me the impression that you thought white gangs were "out there", but not being detected. My bad.