50M Think Broadband Ping Monitor Results (POST YOURS) - Page 265

jarrodstrachan · 02-08-2013, 11:57

My friends graph:

I think the best VM graph I've ever seen, he's on Stok17 UBR, which isn't even listed on UK Internet Report.

Something I noticed however, is that before his upstream bonding, he had 0 packet loss, afterwards he had them little spots of packet loss as seen on quite a few VM graphs

qasdfdsaq · 03-08-2013, 03:15

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Dunno how that happened.

Firmware update changed the defaults.

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Originally Posted by Martin Dee 11

Would a Firmware upgrade make it change as i did a upgrade on the 24 of July ?

I see you figured it out by yourself

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

If you know a lift and shift with registry frig method for getting round that - do please let me know!

Backup Vista registry before reinstalling if you like to do things manually, or just use the easy transfer wizard built in to windows to get it done automatically.

Khenryashley · 04-08-2013, 19:56

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Sephiroth · 04-08-2013, 20:45

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Firmware update changed the defaults.[COLOR=Silver]

You must be short of something to do to go back 4 days just for that comment and then provide a useless reply.

This is the link to the post which sets out the problem.

First of all, a firmware download doesn't reset the defaults. I've checked that.

Second, it's the 172.18.200.xx IP address that's perplexing. Any other ideas on that?

qasdfdsaq · 04-08-2013, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You must be short of something to do to go back 4 days just for that comment and then provide a useless reply.

Ermm, I just got back and went through reading all the posts marked as "New" by the forum.

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First of all, a firmware download doesn't reset the defaults. I've checked that.

You've clearly not developed any firmware for routers.

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Second, it's the 172.18.200.xx IP address that's perplexing. Any other ideas on that?

How is it perplexing? Default IP range changes at the same time as a firmware update. Not sure why you can't comprehend the possibility one caused the other.

Sephiroth · 04-08-2013, 22:24

Yes - but you could have made a helpful reply. Can you think of a reason for the 172.18.200.xx IP address? That poster could only get onto his router with the 192.168.1.1. address.

Kushan · 04-08-2013, 22:31

THe Asus routers all use a 192.168.x.x IP range and none of their recent firmwares have switched to a 172 IP range. So while yes, the firmware update is certainly a likely candidate for the change, it still doesn't explain why it switched to a 172 IP range. If it were as simple as resetting to defaults, then it would reset to 192.

qasdfdsaq · 04-08-2013, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yes - but you could have made a helpful reply. Can you think of a reason for the 172.18.200.xx IP address? That poster could only get onto his router with the 192.168.1.1. address.

Ermm, I think you'll find he stated the exact opposite.

There are many different reasons you might want to switch to the 172.16.0.0/12 range, deliberately or otherwise. Can you think of any good reason to use 196.168.0.0/16?

What is there to "help"? We all took guesses at what caused it. There is nothing wrong, nothing to fix, and nothing to really explain. It's no more of a problem than if their router uses 192.168.1.1 instead of 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.100.1...

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Originally Posted by Kushan

So while yes, the firmware update is certainly a likely candidate for the change, it still doesn't explain why it switched to a 172 IP range.

You frequently get glitches across firmware updates where they have changed the location that certain variables get stored, or the encoding of them, and they flip to some unintended value as a result of trying to "preserve" older settings. This is why it is widely recommended you do a factory reset as part of any kind of firmware change.

I'm not sure what the fuss is about though. 172.16.0.0/12 is a perfectly legitimate IP range to use and evidently it worked perfectly fine, and nobody even noticed until we deliberately went searching for it.

Sephiroth · 04-08-2013, 22:39

It didn't work fine at all. It screwed up access to his fixed IP devices in the 192.168 range.

qasdfdsaq · 04-08-2013, 22:46

I don't see where he has claimed that anywhere.

But even if he had, he shouldn't have been trying to access to fixed IP devices in a range he did not have a fixed IP in.

You can't expect static addressing to work if you're lazy and don't assign static addresses to something...

Kushan · 04-08-2013, 22:47

Plus, I would argue that if one setting has randomly changed, then what else has changed? Better safe than sorry.

I'm sorry, but I don't buy this "some bits flip and values get changed to preserver other settings". It doesn't make any sense for it to switch to 192 to 172 for any reason. It's not like some random bits were flipped and it just happened to land on another internal IP range. Surely if it was going to reset to anything, it would be the default of 192. I think it was definitely a glitch of some kind, but I can't think of any reason why it would be programmed to do that.

qasdfdsaq · 04-08-2013, 22:53

There are plenty of random occurrences in the computing world you cannot explain or will never understand. I've made firmware for routers and I have both seen it happen in practice and can understand the theory behind why it happens. If you don't accept my explanation - fine. I may be wrong and you don't have to agree but I don't see you coming up with a better explanation, nor any reason either of us should care enough to try.

Dunno about you but I've come to accept things occasionally doing randomly doing stuff you don't expect to be a completely normal occurrence in the consumer IT world.

Jon22 · 09-08-2013, 12:28

Telf11 has gained another downstream overnight. Got 6 downstream and 2 upstream now. TBB graph shows the work being done overnight nicely.

Kushan · 09-08-2013, 12:33

Should be a nice improvement there.

Jon22 · 10-08-2013, 00:13

Anyone else getting a marginal "hump" on their graph? Had one last night that started just before 10pm, but I thought this morning that it could of been due to the work they did overnight (extra downstream). Got one again tonight that has started around 11pm. Doesn't seem to be causing any issues though.