U.S President: Donald Trump

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Unless you follow Trump blindly, it makes him more crooked given the fact that they've been charged and not just referred.

If you read the article properly, I know you have issues reading, given you repeat things that people have already posted. It says Senators cannot prosecute, they can only refer Criminal matters to the U.S Department of Justice.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Right. So two actual criminal charges of people on Trump's payroll is not as a bad as two senators requesting that the head of a firm the DNC paid for is charged?

And Flynn was charged for lying. Just as Steele has been accused of lying. Why is that different?

I am all for this guy being charged and prosecuted if he lied under oath or committed some other crime. But the double standard where there is always some excuse or fake news if it's Trump but it's a open and shut case for the democrats is increasingly absurd.

Since the other two have been charged for 'petty' crimes then what has Steel been charged with?

He has not been charged with anything yet, the referral has only just been made.

What part of 'They were fired' did you not understand ? So they were NO longer on his pay roll ?

Are you telling me people who hire people with criminal liabilities are tainted ?

There is no double standards because there is no evidence of Trump paying anybody to get dirt on Hillary, unless you know something the rest of us and Congress and Robert Mueller himself doesn't ?

However, there is documented evidence the Democratic National Committee party did, along with Crooked Hillary, pay in to the coffers of Fusion GPS, for the Russian Dossier on Trump during the 2016 Election.

This is crucial because there is the collusion right there, god help Hillary if she was president, thankfully she isn't but she would be facing certain impeachment proceedings, if she had and this is just the start, the Clinton Foundation is being re-investigated and together with Classified emails of hers being found on Huma Abedin's perverted husband laptop, the FBI investigation of her emails being certainly re-opened, yet again, she would be facing a lot of legal ramifications right now, as president.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

If you read the article properly, I know you have issues reading, given you repeat things that people have already posted.

I'm in fine company though.
3/1/18 11:24pm I posted Blair's denial
4/1/18 02:01am You too posted Blair's denial

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I'm in fine company though.
3/1/18 11:24pm I posted Blair's denial
4/1/18 02:01am You too posted Blair's denial

You're not though because you didn't understand that GOP Senators can't prosecute, given you were comparing why one vs another had not been charged.

[Mr K]

Nice hat you're wearing tonight Mick

Originally Posted by Mr K

Nice hat you're wearing tonight Mick

No hats. Just facts. Next... ?

Originally Posted by Mick

What part of 'They were fired' did you not understand ? So they were NO longer on his pay roll ?

Are you telling me people who hire people with criminal liabilities are tainted ?

And nor was Steele employed by the Democrats today. If the Democrats are tainted because somebody they had paid has been charged for lying why isn't Trump tainted because somebody he had paid has been 'referred' for lying?

There is no double standards because there is no evidence of Trump paying anybody to get dirt on Hillary, unless you know something the rest of us and Congress and Robert Mueller himself doesn't ?

However, there is documented evidence the Democratic National Committee party did, along with Crooked Hillary, pay in to the coffers of Fusion GPS, for the Russian Dossier on Trump during the 2016 Election.

This alleged crime, we know little about so far, isn't to do with the fact he made the dossier but that is accused of lying to someone somewhere (presumably under oath or to the FBI).

I think if he has committed a crime then he should be invested/charged. If that implicates Clinton or someone else at the DNC they should be charged too. It's little to do with me.

But if you think the Democrats are tainted by this because they had employed him then I can't see why Trump isn't tainted because he had employed Flynn. You believe every accusation levelled against Clinton and none of them against Trump., even when those accusations are very similar.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/u...committee.html

I think this sums up the reasons for this.

“Publicizing a criminal referral based on classified information raises serious questions about whether this letter is nothing more than another attempt to discredit government sources, in the midst of an ongoing criminal investigation,” said Joshua A. Levy, the lawyer for Fusion. “We should all be skeptical in the extreme.”

It’s a win-win for Grassley and the Republicans - if anything does come out of it, they win; if nothing comes out of it, it’s a ‘cover up’ by the ‘deep state’ and the ‘corrupt FBI’, and they win.

And in the meantime, less focus on what the Committee are supposed to be looking at (congressional investigations into Russian election meddling), and more distraction.

Originally Posted by Damien

And nor was Steele employed by the Democrats today. If the Democrats are tainted because somebody they had paid has been charged for lying why isn't Trump tainted because somebody he had paid has been 'referred' for lying?

Again, they were fired, I don't get why you don't get this, they did something wrong, Trump fired them for doing so. You cannot have a go at someone who took the correct course of action that was only available to him at the time. They lied, he fired them.

Originally Posted by Damien

I think if he has committed a crime then he should be invested/charged. If that implicates Clinton or someone else at the DNC they should be charged too. It's little to do with me.

When there is documentation that says DNC and Hillary paid or contributed to Fusion GPS, then I would say there is criminal intent. The issue here is is that it is unclear if elements within the FBI also paid Steele for the information, when Deputy AG, Rod Rosenstein was asked who paid for it, he said he knew the answer but wasn't prepared to say either way in a open setting. That to me suggests they did, because someone who is essentially in charge of the FBI, would want to vindicate a department they have dealings in and say no.

Originally Posted by Damien

But if you think the Democrats are tainted by this because they had employed him then I can't see why Trump isn't tainted because he had employed Flynn. You believe every accusation levelled against Clinton and none of them against Trump., even when those accusations are very similar.

The distinction is because the actions Trump took when he learned of their failings. Manafort was fired, as was Flynn because they had lied.

The only accusation so far is Russian collusion and no I don't believe it because there has been no evidence to suggest it happened, only hearsay.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/u...committee.html

I think this sums up the reasons for this.

It’s a win-win for Grassley and the Republicans - if anything does come out of it, they win; if nothing comes out of it, it’s a ‘cover up’ by the ‘deep state’ and the ‘corrupt FBI’, and they win.

And in the meantime, less focus on what the Committee are supposed to be looking at, and more distraction.

LMAO.

Why am I not surprised New York times, would align itself with Fusion GPS and come out with trash like that, NYT is very upset that the party it's aligned with has been caught with it's trousers down. I totally don't feel sorry for those crooks, who were only too happy to leak photos from an active crime scene investigation from my home city days after a Terrorist Attack not that long ago.

Originally Posted by Mick

Again, they were fired, I don't get why you don't get this, they did something wrong, Trump fired them for doing so. You cannot have a go at someone who took the correct course of action that was only available to him at the time. They lied, he fired them.

I do get it. Since the DNC no longer employ Steele then this allegation doesn't require them being fired.

When there is documentation that says DNC and Hillary paid or contributed to Fusion GPS, then I would say there is criminal intent.

For what crime? It doesn't appear this 'referral' has anything to do with the creation of the Dossier. They're saying he lied to someone in authority. It's the same as the charge against Flynn not being to do with Russia itself by lying about that to the FBI.



The distinction is because the actions Trump took when he learned of their failings. Manafort was fired, as was Flynn because they had lied.

The only accusation so far is Russian collusion and no I don't believe it because there has been no evidence to suggest it happened, only hearsay.

There are plenty of accusations against Trump. From women who allege sexual assault to the collusion. Only one on-going investigation though. Clinton too has plenty of accusations but only one (reopened) investigation too.

I think we should await to see if anyone is actually convicted of anything before calling them crooked or criminals.

Why am I not surprised New York times, would align itself with Fusion GPS and come out with trash like that, NYT is very upset that the party it's aligned with has been caught with it's trousers down. I totally don't feel sorry for those crooks, who were only too happy to leak photos from an active crime scene investigation from my home city days after a Terrorist Attack not that long ago.

The New York Times is just reporting on it. The quote comes from a lawyer for Fusion GPS. They're reporting the action from the senators and the reaction from those involved.

Originally Posted by Damien

I do get it. Since the DNC no longer employ Steele then this allegation doesn't require them being fired.

DNC never employed Steele as far as I am aware but they paid for the fake research and I say fake because nothing in the dossier is substantiated or verified.

Originally Posted by Damien

For what crime? It doesn't appear this 'referral' has anything to do with the creation of the Dossier. They're saying he lied to someone in authority. It's the same as the charge against Flynn not being to do with Russia itself by lying about that to the FBI.

It's unclear because parts of the referral have been deemed classified, so there may be more to this referral than is known, other than lying to Federal Agents.

Originally Posted by Damien

There are plenty of accusations against Trump. From women who allege sexual assault to the collusion. Only one on-going investigation though. Clinton too has plenty of accusations but only one (reopened) investigation too.

I guess you missed the story on Gloria Alfred's daughter willing to pay big bucks for women to come forward and accuse Trump of sexual stuff during the election ?

Funny how they all vanished in to oblivion once the election was over and only reared their heads again during the Roy Moore Senate race in Alabama, where he too, was also conveniently facing sexual allegations and yet again, election is over, where are these women who came out in droves accusing Moore ?

Originally Posted by Damien

I think we should await to see if anyone is actually convicted of anything before calling them crooked or criminals.

Well, normally I would agree, but not when the evidence is right there, that was so evidently missed, I mean, look during the Clinton email investigation, people taking the 5th, Clinton's server tech guy using Bleachbit to remove 33,000 emails, Bill Clinton talking with then AG, Lynch on back of a plane for 45 minutes days before Comey cleared the path for Hillary.

However, now we know why she was really cleared, because we had high level folk in the FBI totally biased in her favor, and totally against Trump winning, via that Text message from Peter Strzok to his mistress, discussing an 'Insurance Policy' they spoke of in Deputy Director for the FBI Andrew McCabe's office, did Hillary pay these off too, like she did with the Russian Dossier and Fusion GPS ?

I mean I am no expert investigator but it's not hard to join the dots.

Originally Posted by Damien

The New York Times is just reporting on it. The quote comes from a lawyer for Fusion GPS. They're reporting the action from the senators and the reaction from those involved.

I find it just a tad funny how Fusion GPS go running to NYT, why not AP or any other news outlet, that isn't biased against the Trump Administration?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

You're not though because you didn't understand that GOP Senators can't prosecute, given you were comparing why one vs another had not been charged.

Um, you criticised me for posting something that someone had previously posted and I pointed out that you had done exactly the same thing yesterday. I'm not perfect and that makes two of us.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Um, you criticised me for posting something that someone had previously posted and I pointed out that you had done exactly the same thing yesterday. I'm not perfect and that makes two of us.

No ones perfect Andrew, well apart from Mick and Trump, they are always right.

[Mr K]

'Favour' not 'favor' Mick. We're not another state of the US yet...

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Um, you criticised me for posting something that someone had previously posted and I pointed out that you had done exactly the same thing yesterday. I'm not perfect and that makes two of us.

As I said, no it doesn't because you went off on a tangent about why they had not been prosecuted, I am pointing out to you, Senators don't prosecute, they're law makers, not law enforcers.

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[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

As I said, no it doesn't because you went off on a tangent about why they had not been prosecuted, I am pointing out to you, Senators don't prosecute, they're law makers, not law enforcers.

BREAKING: GOP aka Republican Party rally around their President tonight... The Reviews of the book are in...

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