Unstoppable migration?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

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The liberal mindset seems to be a form of mental illness

Come on that's a bit unfair, the guy who got stabbed was very sad about it

[papa smurf]

meanwhile its all sunshine and lollipops in that Europe

DAY THE EU FELL APART: Leaders rip chunks out of each other on worst day of migrant chaos
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Merkel-Austria

Meanwhile the Calais camps are being dismantled by the French: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35693882

Demolition teams are due to return to the French port of Calais to dismantle more makeshift shelters in the migrant camp known as the "Jungle".

Overnight, riot police fired tear gas at migrants who were hurling stones at the demolition squads.
Authorities say the migrants must move to shipping containers on another part of the site.

But many fear this will require them to claim asylum in France, and give up their hopes of travelling to Britain.

Although the BBC is saying they are being moved to containers on another part of the site the Channel 4 news item I saw on this last week said they're also being moved around the country.

This combined with the plan to extend the tunnel to the terminal itself, removing the open gaps that migrants are trying to break though, should quell the immediate problem at our own borders.

God knows what the long term solution to the amount of migrants turning up at Europe's borders are though. Schengen breaking down is a good thing in my mind. I don't see why you can't have visa-less travel across Europe whilst simply having border controls inbetween the nations.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

Meanwhile the Calais camps are being dismantled by the French: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35693882



Although the BBC is saying they are being moved to containers on another part of the site the Channel 4 news item I saw on this last week said they're also being moved around the country.

This combined with the plan to extend the tunnel to the terminal itself, removing the open gaps that migrants are trying to break though, should quell the immediate problem at our own borders.

God knows what the long term solution to the amount of migrants turning up at Europe's borders are though. Schengen breaking down is a good thing in my mind. I don't see why you can't have visa-less travel across Europe whilst simply having border controls inbetween the nations.

Because that's too simple? We're dealing with Eurocrats here remember and they don't like admitting their ludicrous open borders, single state/currency, one size fits all policy is fundamentally flawed. They're like lemmings singlemindedly bringing about their own demise.

People make me laugh when they talk about border checks as some sort of personal affront. Given the state of the world we're living in the notion of free movement is more deluded now than ever it was. It makes me laugh that you have to go through all sorts of checks to get on a plane here yet a terrorist can gain entry into the EU via some porous border in the East, then travel to virtually anywhere in the EU without necessarily being stopped and asked a few questions. How much easier do we want to make it for criminals, terrorists and sundry undesirables etc. to ply their trade?

What people need to realise here is that the effects of this migration tidal wave are going to be irreversible. The only question is to what extent and the larger the numbers, the bigger the problems will be. We've seen this in parts of the UK which have seen huge and rapid migrant influxes. Those places have been changed forever and nobody was asked what they thought about it. The same is now happening in large parts of Europe. The Eurocrats don't give a damn about what mere people think or the 'collateral damage' their policies cause to communities, towns, cities or even nations. They lurch from one crisis to another as Europe implodes still in complete denial about the damage they've done.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

The day that this government say, that we should take more Migrants, they should all resign.

This country cannot take anymore. Its now getting ridiculous. And when you think the Migrants, that are causing the aggro in Calais. Want to come to the UK.

This country, should take a leaf out of France' stance, they are getting rid of the camps. And they don't care what other countries think.

In fact isn't there a large Migrant Community in Dover. I may be wrong.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

The day that this government say, that we should take more Migrants, they should all resign.

Well, the NHS are desperate for more migrants, as a result of Government policy. Few are prepared to train to be a professional for that long for low pay ( compared to other professions) in this country any longer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35667939
If you want an NHS you need migrants.

We've also become dependent on them to do the lowly jobs none of us can be arsed to do but depend on (e.g carers, cleaners). Not saying that's right, just the way our idle society has developed.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Well, the NHS are desperate for more migrants, as a result of Government policy. Few are prepared to train to be a professional for that long for low pay ( compared to other professions) in this country any longer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35667939
If you want an NHS you need migrants.

We've also become dependent on them to do the lowly jobs none of us can be arsed to do but depend on (e.g carers, cleaners). Not saying that's right, just the way our idle society has developed.

Think I disagree with you on this one, we as a nation have done those jobs before, we managed quiet well before Roland from Poland and his pals turned up. I'm quite possibly facing redundancy and the other half was all worried the other night and questioned why I wasn't overly bothered, it's because if push came to shove I'd do pretty much anything rather than sign on, sorry to sound like a cliché but the welfare nanny state has become a way of life for many not a saftey net

[Osem]

Russia and Syria are deliberately using migration as an aggressive strategy towards Europe, the senior Nato commander in Europe has said.

US Gen Philip Breedlove said they were "weaponising" migration to destabilise and undermine the continent.

He also suggested that criminals, extremists and fighters were hiding in the flow of migrants.

Migrants are continuing to accumulate in Greece, after Macedonia stopped allowing more than a trickle through.

On Wednesday it allowed around 200 Syrian and Iraqi refugees to cross, with thousands still stuck on the Greek side of the border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35706238

Anyone thinking there's a perfect storm brewing?

Meanwhile:

In the Jungle camp of migrants in Calais, France, the demolition of the southern half of the camp continues - in what the government has termed a humanitarian operation but which critics say will just leave hundreds of desperate migrants without shelter in winter.

A volunteer with an aid organisation in the camp told the BBC that children were in danger in the camp, saying that she had spoken to children who had been raped and who were carrying out sex work.

... Yet more evidence of the type of **** who're hammering at our front door.

[deadite66]

So not due to destabilizing the middle east by getting involved with Iraq, Libya and supplying stuff Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, no it's all Russia's fault.

[Osem]

Nope he's not saying that. He's saying the Russians are taking advantage of the situation and that's what he's there to do - identify risks to the west.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks our glorious leaders are blame free with regard to Iraq etc. There's been vast amounts of criticism at all levels.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

I don't think anyone seriously thinks our glorious leaders are blame free with regard to Iraq etc. There's been vast amounts of criticism at all levels.

The arch war-monger still roams free when he should be at the end of a rope, worth £60 million I last heard.

If the dictators and despots of the Middle East had been left to their own devices would we now be submerged by floods of desperate people?

[techguyone]

You're not wrong heero, but any country or federacy? that purposely has non existent border control would be asking for trouble at some point in time.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

The arch war-monger still roams free when he should be at the end of a rope, worth £60 million I last heard.

If the dictators and despots of the Middle East had been left to their own devices would we now be submerged by floods of desperate people?

Crazy thing is our timing in removing them, if we removed them when they were terrorising their neighbours, mixing with terrorists or really going to town suppressing their own people it might have been different but to act when we did was only ever going to lead to disaster as there was no rational reason to act when we did, no George, that man tried to kill my daddy isn't a reason for all the chaos either

[Osem]

Well in yet another bombshell of totally unexpected migration related news:

There is an "impending shortage" of housing for asylum seekers in the UK, the home affairs committee has warned.

The issue is being made worse by a lack of "fair and equal dispersal", with some areas taking hundreds of people and some taking none, its MPs said.

They condemned an "appalling" episode where asylum seekers were told to wear wristbands, and an instance where their doors were all painted one colour.

The Home Office said it was committed to providing safe and secure housing.

"The dispersal system appears unfair, with whole swathes of the country never receiving a single asylum seeker," said committee chairman Keith Vaz.

"The majority are being moved into low-cost housing in urban areas such as Glasgow, Stoke, Cardiff and of course Middlesbrough, where the ratio is 1 asylum seeker per 137 people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35719489

Should they be moved into high cost accommodation then? Leave the lesser accommodation for mere citizens?...

These are of course just official figures for those registered for asylum and almost certainly bear no relation to the reality when it comes to the number of illegal migrants located around the UK. In fact many asylum claims only happen years after migrants have entered illegally and finally been caught so God only knows how many are in the pipeline.

With net 'official' immigration at well over 300k pa it's really not surprising that there's a shortage of many things, including decent housing. It's just a pity that those who opened the floodgates and told us it would all be a significant net benefit to the UK didn't put in place the services and infrastructure to cope with the resulting deluge, let alone think about the inevitable social consequences. Shame that eh?...

[Taf]

A raid on a home near us discovered even more illegal immigrants living with an asylum seeker. The third lot I think. And probably not the last.