Mind The Pay Gap? Tube Drivers 'To Get £55k'

Originally Posted by Osem

You really think the UK has the political and economic clout to crack down on the likes of China?

The Unions will make the rest of world comply.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Well, My feet are are on earth while yours (and others who share the same view) are on a Thacherite dreamland that did not turn out to be true, the dead end jobs you are talking about are about the best most can expect in life, WHY!! cant we a a right to improve our lives by joining trade unions!

I am a very long way from Thatcherite, I do love how it's still used as an attempt at an insult though.

If you'd care to explain how trade unions can improve the life of cleaners by ensuring their job isn't a dead end one that'd be quite interesting to see. Personally it still sounds like you're in cloud cuckoo land writing about trade unions saving the world and leaving us all to a socialist nirvana where everyone is paid mega wages without having to pay more for everything, pays their 75% tax and gets their backsides wiped for them by a highly paid government employee on a large salary with a guaranteed final salary pension.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Be careful what you wish for....

Only truely creative jobs or the totally meanial Mac jobs won't be done mechanically. I have no idea what we'll do with the useless 95% of the workforce then but the daytime TV audience figures will be impressive.

Soylent Green..

[Cobbydaler]

Unite being opportunistic over Olympics...

"The question of continued industrial action through the winter and the spring and into the summer towards the Olympics is obviously a possibility," said Len McCluskey, general secretary of Unite, in an interview with the BBC."The idea of the world coming to London in the summer and we're all supposed to pretend that everything is hunky dory and we're all in it together is a nonsense," he added.

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Unite being opportunistic over Olympics...

so at a time when UKplc is playing host to the rest of the world union leaders are planning disruption and blackmail ....where's Maggie when we need her

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

You really think the UK has the political and economic clout to crack down on the likes of China?

I do think that UK has the political and economic clout, but we have no choice!

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

You suffer from selective hearing/reading.

Smaller franchised Specsavers in the centre of London have not got the resources to give into constant union claims and their staff understand this point.Pointless having a union if it leads to the business closing.

Oh and don't you dare think of accusing me of being a Thatcherite. I'm merely a Pragmatist.

They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

I called you a Thatcherite because you defend the failed ecomnoic system the she helped set up along with the fact you are not really keen on unions!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

You realy are talking out your hat now

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do think that UK has the political and economic clout, but we have no choice!

Really - you think that a country with 65 million people, and that contributes 3.5% of the world's GDP, can do this - I think you may have to up your medication....

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

I called you a Thatcherite because you defend the failed ecomnoic system the she helped set up along with the fact you are not really keen on unions!

You really are hypocritical - the Specsavers shop managers probably earn half to two-thirds of the salary of Tube train drivers, but you are willing to see their wages cut; one rule/philosophy for one set of people, another for those you support.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I am a very long way from Thatcherite, I do love how it's still used as an attempt at an insult though.

If you'd care to explain how trade unions can improve the life of cleaners by ensuring their job isn't a dead end one that'd be quite interesting to see. Personally it still sounds like you're in cloud cuckoo land writing about trade unions saving the world and leaving us all to a socialist nirvana where everyone is paid mega wages without having to pay more for everything, pays their 75% tax and gets their backsides wiped for them by a highly paid government employee on a large salary with a guaranteed final salary pension.

The life of cleaners can be improved by better wages and better conditions, which can be achived with unions, as shown in the victorian era and even now!

The so called "cloud cuckoo land" idea is acutally not a bad one,It's better than the one we have right now, I am not called for a socialist nirvana, just a better society!

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Originally Posted by martyh

so at a time when UKplc is playing host to the rest of the world union leaders are planning disruption and blackmail ....where's Maggie when we need her

She now very old, but she is still better then cameron, if only slightly!

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Originally Posted by martyh

You realy are talking out your hat now

Not bad for a Thacherite!

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Really - you think that a country with 65 million people, and that contributes 3.5% of the world's GDP, can do this - I think you may have to up your medication....
You really are hypocritical - the Specsavers shop managers probably earn half to two-thirds of the salary of Tube train drivers, but you are willing to see their wages cut; one rule/philosophy for one set of people, another for those you support.

Sorry I will corrent that, what they should do is demand better terms from Spacesavers to pay for better pay and conditions!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Sorry I will corrent that, what they should do is demand better terms from Spacesavers to pay for better pay and conditions!

you need to read up on how a franchise works

Right I'm out of this thread..it's become too loony toons for me...

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by martyh

you need to read up on how a franchise works

I know how a francise works!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

snippety snip snip....
They can cut the mangers salary and even demand morr favourable terms with specsavers!

I called you a Thatcherite because you defend the failed ecomnoic system the she helped set up along with the fact you are not really keen on unions!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

snippety snip snip...

Sorry I will corrent that, what they should do is demand better terms from Spacesavers to pay for better pay and conditions!

That's one hell of a "correction" - looks more like something completely different to me......

As Maggy has stated, this has entered Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck territory....

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I know how a francise works!

Obviously not, by your inane and nonsensical proposals in your posts.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Hugh

That's one hell of a "correction" - looks more like something completely different to me......

As Maggy has stated, this has entered Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck territory....

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Obviously not, by your inane and nonsensical proposals in your posts.

So what you are saying is that standign up aganist the rich and very rich who have caused the mess we are in for the sake for middle and working classes who have to bar the brunt for them is insane?

You what I say:

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The life of cleaners can be improved by better wages and better conditions, which can be achived with unions, as shown in the victorian era and even now!

You specifically mentioned 'dead end' jobs, just to remind you of the context:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35355229-post221.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35355256-post225.html

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

So what you are saying is that standign up aganist the rich and very rich who have caused the mess we are in for the sake for middle and working classes who have to bar the brunt for them is insane?

You what I say:

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

This is Sparta!

Seriously, you appear to be a self-appointed class warrior, it's noted that you are evidently doing fairly well out of the capitalism you so despise, for all its flaws maybe it isn't so completely broken?

I don't regard myself as being of any class, I refer to myself as 'middle class' as a joke. In times of old I would be considered working class as I'm the modern version of an engineer. I was raised by a bar maid and cleaner and a truck driver. Your words and politics are divisive, your comments incoherent, your posts seem to be cut and pastes from Socialist Worker as you stubbornly refuse to accept the more moderate views offered.