Second Runway At Gatwick Airport

[thenry]

Democracy. Incompetence.

[beeman]

Originally Posted by Qtx

The noise can still be bad for people at least 15 miles from Heathrow or Gatwick due to the altitude. They often have to stack and circle the places before landing too so maybe those in that path should be considered for council tax reductions too.

Extra runways at both these airports would almost totally remove the need to stack the aircraft and so would reduce the noise for people in the stack path. Infact at the moment its not unusual for arriving aircraft to have to hold for 30-60 minuites in the heathrow stack waiting for a slot to land (gatwick's not quite as bad yet but its getting there).

Can the London TMA and Eurocontrol handle any more traffic though? That's the question. Surely that would have a bearing on how much more capacity an additional runway can add.

Extra capacity could actually reduce the amount of traffic in the air due to the reduced hold que

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by beeman

Extra runways at both these airports would almost totally remove the need to stack the aircraft and so would reduce the noise for people in the stack path. Infact at the moment its not unusual for arriving aircraft to have to hold for 30-60 minuites in the heathrow stack waiting for a slot to land (gatwick's not quite as bad yet but its getting there).



Extra capacity could actually reduce the amount of traffic in the air due to the reduced hold que

Good point

[Hom3r]

The biggest problem is NIMBYs, sorry but you move near an airport you have very little to say about expansion.

Only those born near an airport should have any say.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The biggest problem is NIMBYs, sorry but you move near an airport you have very little to say about expansion.

Only those born near an airport should have any say.

Or those who have an airport built near where they live.
Having said that, Heathrow was built in 1946, Gatwick in 1958. I shouldn't think many people living in those areas then are living in them now.

[Qtx]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The biggest problem is NIMBYs, sorry but you move near an airport you have very little to say about expansion.

It's possible to move from one part of London or Surrey to another without thinking about or even noticing air traffic when you look at the place. Some don't notice until after the first night in their new place when the first big plane coming in wakes them up at around 6am in the morning once the altitude restrictions change.

There can be a huge difference in noise around the edge of a 20 mile radius, depending on where you are on the edge.

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Originally Posted by beeman

Extra runways at both these airports would almost totally remove the need to stack the aircraft and so would reduce the noise for people in the stack path. Infact at the moment its not unusual for arriving aircraft to have to hold for 30-60 minuites in the heathrow stack waiting for a slot to land (gatwick's not quite as bad yet but its getting there).

In theory but over time they will probably add so many more flights that the gains are nullified. I wonder if the airlines would stop buying the biggest planes and use more smaller ones for example.

Is there a higher chance of accidents occurring if they use the same runways for landing and taking off or does it make no difference?

Also I would expect that using the same runway for everything would mean if one thing goes wrong more services would be affected and thus more longer delays. So in that respect a second runway would be better than a dual use single I would have thought.

[GrimUpNorth]

If a second runway goes ahead then that would be classed as a public works under Part 1 of The Land Compensation Act 1973. Part 1 says that if there are any changes in any of the 5 physical factors (noise, vibration, artificial lighting, dust/fumes, run-off) that result in the devaluation of a property by £50 or more, then anyone who has an interest in that property can make a claim for compensation from the responsible authority.

In the event of a succesful claim (reasonable) fees are payable in addition to any compensation, but in most cases claim will not be considered until 12 months after the official opening date of the public works. The responsible authority has no statutory obligation to inform you that you may be eligible to make a claim (unlike Part 2 or the act), but there will be plenty of companies who will leaflet drop offering no win no fee services.

Hope this helps!

Cheers


Grim

[Rexz]

Originally Posted by Damien

Since it's not my money we'll be spending I am in favour of a new airport to the East. Boris Island basically. It makes sense to me to build a state of the art airport designed to handle multiple runways and terminals rather than stick them onto airports which were never designed to handle the load they have to handle.

They still have the problem of the SS Richard Montgomery which still has 1,400 tonnes of explosives and all the native birds which migrate or live in that area of Kent. Plus like someone else said, the infrastructure of London barely copes as it is. It would have been nice to see the amount of money going into HS2 to be used for upgrading our railways, then the support would be there. Unfortunately our government seems to have an attitude of dealing with a problem when it happens/gets too much media coverage, rather than taking a preventative approach.

[thenry]

Five separate YouGov polls show support for building new runway at Gatwick Airport over Heathrow

http://www.crawleynews.co.uk/separat...ail/story.html

start building already!

[richard s]

Another stupid bit of political decision making is that Lydd Airport, Kent has been granted permission to lengthen its runway.

http://www.lydd-airport.co.uk/

Yet just a few miles up the road at Manston Airport which has the fourth longest runway in the UK is to be turned into industrial units, houses!!!!!

So tired of how long it takes to build anything other than luxury flats in this country. HS2? Still not started. Runway? Still discussing it. Nuclear power plants? 10 years away. Just bloody get on with it.

[thenry]

So many millions will be wasted just 'talking'.

[thenry]

Boris Johnson has told LBC that the Tory government may not give the green light to Heathrow expansion - even if it's recommended by the Davies Commission.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/boris-chances-o...lly-nil-109545

Gatwick and the area surrounding has scope for expansion without much of a fuss. Heathrow should focus being more efficient running 2 runways once Gatwick takes on more of a load.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by thenry

Gatwick and the area surrounding has scope for expansion without much of a fuss. Heathrow should focus being more efficient running 2 runways once Gatwick takes on more of a load.

There is no room for Heathrow to be more efficient running 2 runways. It runs about as heavily loaded as it is possible to with 2 runways.

[thenry]

Could Gatwick take some of the load allowing Heathrow to rethink its heavily loaded airport or would Gatwick take on totally different flights?