[Merged] Anti Terrorism Stop & Search Rejection

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10471005.stm

The Home Office says it is reviewing counter-terrorism laws after a European court decided the government could not appeal against a ruling that said random stop and searches were illegal.




The European Court of Human Rights came to its decision in January and it has now insisted it cannot be challenged.

A result for common sense..

[Angua]

Good news indeed and a good reason for the The European Court of Human Rights to continue. Despite what the tabloids would have us believe.

[Tezcatlipoca]

I believe that it was the previous Government (the one so enamoured with curtailing civil liberties) which wanted to appeal this ruling. The Coalition Government has already previously said it plans to review the many anti-terror laws created by the previous Government.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think in all honesty, what ever happens in this country regarding stop and search, we have to toughen up certain laws.

And one of them is stop and search, we have so far always stood back and allowed things to go unanswered, but we have to allow the police service to do this, They are not stupid, if they know someone is a villian or a well known person on there hit list, or they walk down a street and see someone, that they believe could or have commited a crime, then they should have every power under the sun, to make our lifes safer.

I get fed up each day hearing on the radio or in the papers, where there is always aggro as when this comes up, let them do there jobs properly.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think in all honesty, what ever happens in this country regarding stop and search, we have to toughen up certain laws.

And one of them is stop and search, we have so far always stood back and allowed things to go unanswered, but we have to allow the police service to do this, They are not stupid, if they know someone is a villian or a well known person on there hit list, or they walk down a street and see someone, that they believe could or have commited a crime, then they should have every power under the sun, to make our lifes safer.

I get fed up each day hearing on the radio or in the papers, where there is always aggro as when this comes up, let them do there jobs properly.

Stop and search is there for anti-terrorism, not because someone is on the police 'hit list'. It's been almost totally ineffective for anti-terrorism and repeatedly misused by the police.

As a more general thought Arthur:

Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Stop and search is there for anti-terrorism, not because someone is on the police 'hit list'. It's been almost totally ineffective for anti-terrorism and repeatedly misused by the police.
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The police have a number of powers to stop and search people. Some require the police to have reasonable suspicion that you are commiting, or about to commit a crime and are carrying something illegal. Others are based on specific locations, for defined timescales and aim to deter incidents of serious violence or terrorism. When stopped, and officer should provide their name and station location and explain under what power you have been stopped..
Here are some facts about stop and search:

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/...op-and-search/
i personally think the police do a good job

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Matt D

I believe that it was the previous Government (the one so enamoured with curtailing civil liberties) which wanted to appeal this ruling. The Coalition Government has already previously said it plans to review the many anti-terror laws created by the previous Government.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the BBC weren't being clear through most of their article exactly which governmnet

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by vanman

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/...op-and-search/
i personally think the police do a good job

Stop and searches under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act are what this specifically deals with - random stop and search without suspicion of having committed a crime.

Stop and search where there are adequate grounds for suspicion remains a non-issue however there has to be suspicion you have committed a crime, IE not because they don't like the look of you but there is a very strong and valid expectation.

The police do generally do a fine job, doesn't mean there aren't well documented issues.

[vanman]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The police do generally do a fine job, doesn't mean there aren't well documented issues.

this is true but everybody seems to point to the bad bits and not the good
are there any documented issues pointing to good the police are doing with there stop and search

Originally Posted by vanman

this is true but everybody seems to point to the bad bits and not the good
are there any documented issues pointing to good the police are doing with there stop and search

Dunno,why don't you Google and see?

[MovedGoalPosts]

It should be noted that this isn't about stop and search generally. There are many other grounds for a search, but the police do have to have a reasonable suspicion that they will be finding something on the person such as drugs, proceeds of a crime, weapons, etc. It is only the anti-terrorism provisionns that are of concern by this ruling.

[Osem]

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/PSN...ded.6407757.jp

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by vanman

this is true but everybody seems to point to the bad bits and not the good
are there any documented issues pointing to good the police are doing with there stop and search

Oddly any group doing the job they are paid to do is rarely newsworthy.

This isn't about stop and search generally per the rest of my post which you cut from your quote, and perhaps didn't read either. I'll reproduce it for you again for your convenience.

Stop and searches under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act are what this specifically deals with - random stop and search without suspicion of having committed a crime.

Stop and search where there are adequate grounds for suspicion remains a non-issue however there has to be suspicion you have committed a crime, IE not because they don't like the look of you but there is a very strong and valid expectation.