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Old 13-11-2017, 16:01   #736
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Public services have had severe cuts because of Austerity not because of how many immigrants one has in a country as we don't have that many down here and yet public services and our local health services have had to face severe cuts to their finances these past few years with sign of it ending due to Austerity cuts..
So, in your opinion, you can take in millions of people and it does not affect our ability to provide services for them?

Can I have some of what you're on?
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Old 13-11-2017, 16:10   #737
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So, in your opinion, you can take in millions of people and it does not affect our ability to provide services for them?

Can I have some of what you're on?
l am not denying that that would have some effect but the effects of Austerity have had a much greater effect unless you are in denial of that.
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Old 13-11-2017, 16:22   #738
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l am not denying that that would have some effect but the effects of Austerity have had a much greater effect unless you are in denial of that.
..Well, Den, have a guess why austerity measures are necessary.
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..Well, Den, have a guess why austerity measures are necessary.

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Re: Brexit discussion

Time to bring out this study again - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

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..we can confidently say that the empirical evidence shows that EU immigration has not had significantly negative effects on average employment, wages, inequality or public services at the local level for the UK-born. Nor, it should be said, are there large positive effects. Any adverse experiences of UK-born workers with regard to jobs and wages are more closely associated with the biggest economic crash for more than 80 years.
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Old 13-11-2017, 16:41   #741
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Time to bring out this study again - http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/brexit05.pdf

From the conclusions;
It beggars belief that these academics can't make a connection between an increased population and an increased demand for services.

It certainly doesn't explain why my doctor's surgery scarcely has a white face in there any more. All the names coming up on the board tend to be foreign these days. It certainly wasn't like that a decade ago.
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Old 13-11-2017, 16:49   #742
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..Well, Den, have a guess why austerity measures are necessary.
l know exactly why as you was in denial of that earlier in blaming all our ills on immigrants coming to this country when that is a small part of the much greater ills affecting this country.

l am not enamoured by either party as they have both been pretty disastrous for this country IMO and perhaps if you took your political colours off for once you might start to realise that OB.
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It beggars belief that these academics can't make a connection between an increased population and an increased demand for services.

It certainly doesn't explain why my doctor's surgery scarcely has a white face in there any more. All the names coming up on the board tend to be foreign these days. It certainly wasn't like that a decade ago.
That's the interpretation by the LSE group - EU migration has little effect on public services, wage growth an unemployment and are small net contributors to the coffers unlike UK citizens.

You mention no white people in your GP surgery. Is that more due to non-EU immigration which we have always been able to control?
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l know exactly why as you was in denial of that earlier in blaming all our ills on immigrants coming to this country when that is a small part of the much greater ills affecting this country.

l am not enamoured by either party as they have both been pretty disastrous for this country IMO and perhaps if you took your political colours off for once you might start to realise that OB.
Den, I am not against immigrants coming here. I'm just saying that we have more people coming in than going out. The impact of that is obvious.
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Re: Brexit discussion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41975277
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Parliament will get a vote on the final Brexit deal before the UK leaves the EU, minister David Davis has told MPs.

He said the terms of the UK's exit, including any transition deal and agreement on citizen rights, would have to become law via new legislation.

And he said MPs would have the opportunity to reject or amend such legislation, saying "the agreement will only hold if Parliament approves it".
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Re: Brexit discussion

I can see Parliament attempting to amend it but they won't reject it unless there is an extension, exiting with no deal would be a disaster.
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I can see Parliament attempting to amend it but they won't reject it unless there is an extension, exiting with no deal would be a disaster.
If they come up with the wrong answer maybe we can make them vote again...
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Re: Brexit discussion

I still see people protesting outside parliment to try and stop Brexit (despite the fact it's law and we are 100% leaving).

Question is if these are claiming JSA (or whatever its called now), should they be severly sanctioned.
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I still see people protesting outside parliment to try and stop Brexit (despite the fact it's law and we are 100% leaving).

Question is if these are claiming JSA (or whatever its called now), should they be severly sanctioned.
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I still see people protesting outside parliment to try and stop Brexit (despite the fact it's law and we are 100% leaving).

Question is if these are claiming JSA (or whatever its called now), should they be severly sanctioned.
It's not quite 100%, there's a lot of hurdles yet, and as the guy who wrote Article 50 has said, we can opt out or stop at any time. A lot can change politically and economically in a year.

As for job seekers, you're making a lot of assumptions there ! Do you want to ban peaceful protests ?
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