Bring Back Fox Hunting

Originally Posted by Chris

I'd argue it's a tad more honest than bringing them up to believe that cuddly-wuddly Brer Fox and his woodland chums live a civilised existence in which they enjoy nothing more than a tea party under the great oak tree.

Those are just fun tales for children to enjoy, they learn how the animal kingdom really works as they grow up. Anyway there is a difference between killing animals for food and killing them for sport as far as I am concerned.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

I'd argue it's a tad more honest than bringing them up to believe that cuddly-wuddly Brer Fox and his woodland chums live a civilised existence in which they enjoy nothing more than a tea party under the great oak tree.

Your point of view on this issue is borne out of the unique time and place in which you live. Most of the rest of the world simply doesn't see the natural world through such rose-tinted lenses.

As i am sure you are aware from my posts on this forum and in this thread i have always had a dislike of those who kill for fun and sport. So much so when i was 17 i was in front of the beak for adjusting the nose of a person in the old cheshire hunt who attacked me with a riding crop. And yes if i was younger and fitter and the idiot hit me with his crop again i would do the same again. At least his nose looked far worse than mine after i adjusted his for him.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Those are just fun tales for children to enjoy, they learn how the animal kingdom really works as they grow up. Anyway there is a difference between killing animals for food and killing them for sport as far as I am concerned.

And thats all it is, a fun sport for those that take part.

Fox Hunting has never really gone away the legislation was as full of holes as a cheese grater and Tony Blair probably only enacted it to appease his backbenchers and throw them a sop.

As a method of control (the usual reason trotted out) it is quite inefficient and culling by shooting would be much more humane in my view,however that does not involve a chase with hounds baying.

All in all i would toughen up the legislation which will not happen as the Tories will not want to upset their natural supporters,and go for humane culling where needed.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No idea. Depends what they do i suppose.

Spreading the blood of a kill on children's faces

In fact taking kids to a kill and making them watch a bunch of animals rip another animal to pieces is just down right barbaric.

Screaming at the dogs and laughing at the poor animal they are killing for enjoyment

In fact there not only barbaric they are neanderthal in nature as well.

Interesting, I've heard that only 2 members of the hunt actually see the kill, the rest have to stay well behind the hounds, that doesn't sound like a very fulfilling bloodlust to me.

[djfunkdup]

Fox hunting = small penis syndrome......

that's that one sorted ...................... next..???

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Interesting, I've heard that only 2 members of the hunt actually see the kill, the rest have to stay well behind the hounds, that doesn't sound like a very fulfilling bloodlust to me.

Well presumably they see the aftermath and the fox running for it's life. The sport is in hunting it down. I still think it's wrong regardless of how many people witness the kill.

A lot has been made of the class issue. Maybe some people object to the practise because of those who participate but that isn't the real reason why this is objectionable. We wouldn't tolerate it if people who may be described as 'working class' took to the marshes to hunt foxes with bulldogs. We don't tolerate people abusing their dogs or their cats. I mean what's the difference other than the amount of ceremony involved?

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Interesting, I've heard that only 2 members of the hunt actually see the kill, the rest have to stay well behind the hounds, that doesn't sound like a very fulfilling bloodlust to me.

Interesting as i have seen more than 2 at some of the hunts i was trying to stop. I have to admit i have not been to one lately as i would not be able to keep up but i am sure there will be video evidence on the web if one wants to look.

I will NOT be linking to any here as i have no intention of feeding there exposure for those with a blood lust.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Well presumably they see the aftermath and the fox running for it's life. The sport is in hunting it down. I still think it's wrong regardless of how many people witness the kill.

A lot has been made of the class issue. Maybe some people object to the practise because of those who participate but that isn't the real reason why this is objectionable. We wouldn't tolerate it if people who may be described as 'working class' took to the marshes to hunt foxes with bulldogs. We don't tolerate people abusing their dogs or their cats. I mean what's the difference other than the amount of ceremony involved?

There class has no bearing on it as far as i am concerned, There all equally small brained neanderthals who must kill for there kicks

[Peter_]

Anyone who finds that they need to get their kicks from seeing an animal ripped to shreds for some sort of gratification has to have something missing in their psyche as it is an aberration and not really normal in this day and age as they are not hunting to survive but for fun.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

A lot has been made of the class issue. Maybe some people object to the practise because of those who participate but that isn't the real reason why this is objectionable. We wouldn't tolerate it if people who may be described as 'working class' took to the marshes to hunt foxes with bulldogs. We don't tolerate people abusing their dogs or their cats. I mean what's the difference other than the amount of ceremony involved?

You only have to browse this thread to see class is a very real reson why some people object to it and we do tolerate less fluffy creatures dieing horribly without batting an eyelid, most fish that are caught die after being returned and our new rules for battery hens may seem like a positive move forward increasing each birds minimum space by nearly a third but in reality that is still only 750sq cm each.

Originally Posted by Sirius

Interesting as i have seen more than 2 at some of the hunts i was trying to stop. I have to admit i have not been to one lately as i would not be able to keep up but i am sure there will be video evidence on the web if one wants to look.

I will NOT be linking to any here as i have no intention of feeding there exposure for those with a blood lust

Then they (as I'm sure you'll already agree) are fools as I believe the reason they should be kept back is for the saftey of the horses and hounds, not to mention riders.

[Cobbydaler]

Re the class issue, there are some equally obnoxious lower class 'sports'...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_coursing

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Re the class issue, there are some equally obnoxious lower class 'sports'...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_coursing

That as with fox hunting used to be fairly classless and drew bloodlusting **** from far and wide to the official events such as the one near Southport.

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

Re the class issue, there are some equally obnoxious lower class 'sports'...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_coursing

Which is also illegal in the UK (turns out banned in the same bill as Fox Hunting). Without much campaigning to bring it back.

They aren't campaigning, just carrying on doing it.

Independent

Despite the imposition of the Hunting Act seven years ago and the banning of historic hare coursing events such as the Waterloo Cup, the illicit pursuit of the iconic Lepus europaeus continues apace in the British countryside.

After an initial decline, farmers say that the number of incidents has now returned to pre-ban levels and they are "under siege" from violent gangs committing the UK's number one wildlife crime.

They fear it is only a matter of time before someone is hurt or killed in a confrontation with the coursers.

One farmer has had a barn set alight, causing £20,000 of damage to crops. Others report vehicles being rammed when they try to deny gangs access to their land. There are reports of 90mph car chases around country lanes.

[TheDaddy]

A giant fox twice the normal size has been caught and killed in Maidstone.
The huge animal, which weighed 26.5lb and was almost four feet long, was trapped and killed humanely by vet Keith Talbot.

4 feet long AND climbing a ladder


http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonli...ox_killed.aspx

The Fox of the Baskervilles!!!!