Bring Back Fox Hunting

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Ahem - some examples of non-classist rational objections against fox-hunting used in this thread (btw, I do not support fox-hunting).

Chinless Inbred-Tory gets hunted by a load of foxes
i hope that someday you will have a pack of hounds chewing at your nuts
hope the toffs have a painfull/fatal accidents
the hunters should be chased and attacked and ripped apart by the dogs, that would be fun for me to watch.
a load of psychos in red coats

And that was just in the first couple of pages, not counting on this page
rich tory scumbags
red coated pricks on horse back

Obviously the above are mostly over the top stereotypes of fox hunters, and as you say 70% of Tory voters are against fox hunting and are satisfied with the status quo.
The above are not helped by the type of people generally sympathetic to hunting, Otis Ferry for example, in any bodies book a fine example of a chinless wonder who comes across as completely obsessed by hunting with hounds.
As for the current batch of Tory MP's the vast majority want to repeal the ban, and for the first time in decades their is now a minister responsible for "hunting and shooting"...if this isn't a sop to the countryside alliance then I don't know what is.
So with most voters, up to 75%, against repealing the current legislation against fox hunting, irrespective of which party they voted for, many of the above comments having a dig at chinless tories are well justified seeing as Tory MP's are quite content to go against what the majority of their constituents and the country think.
So much for the new tory party...what was it Ken Clarke said the other day? "if we ignore what middle England wants we are finished"

I know you have no great love of fox hunting foreverwar, but now your in that insidious position of defending your party against the indefensible...I remember it well Iraq war, foundation hospitals, tuition fees and many more.
I imagined it would be a good few months down the line before you'd have to do it though.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Obviously the above are mostly over the top stereotypes of fox hunters, and as you say 70% of Tory voters are against fox hunting and are satisfied with the status quo.

I voted conservative and i am totally anti fox hunting. I was an activist in the past when i was younger and if i was fit enough now would certainly do it all again and that includes my time before the beak for walloping a huntsman that attacked me with his crop.

I even upset the officers in my Regiment for driving a tank right through the middle of there hunt of Salisbury plain when i was training new drivers

Fox hunting is NOT about animal control. Fox hunting is all about SPORT and is carried out by a bunch of barbaric animals of all classes.

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Obviously the above are mostly over the top stereotypes of fox hunters, and as you say 70% of Tory voters are against fox hunting and are satisfied with the status quo.
The above are not helped by the type of people generally sympathetic to hunting, Otis Ferry for example, in any bodies book a fine example of a chinless wonder who comes across as completely obsessed by hunting with hounds.
As for the current batch of Tory MP's the vast majority want to repeal the ban, and for the first time in decades their is now a minister responsible for "hunting and shooting"...if this isn't a sop to the countryside alliance then I don't know what is.
So with most voters, up to 75%, against repealing the current legislation against fox hunting, irrespective of which party they voted for, many of the above comments having a dig at chinless tories are well justified seeing as Tory MP's are quite content to go against what the majority of their constituents and the country think.
So much for the new tory party...what was it Ken Clarke said the other day? "if we ignore what middle England wants we are finished"

I know you have no great love of fox hunting foreverwar, but now your in that insidious position of defending your party against the indefensible...I remember it well Iraq war, foundation hospitals, tuition fees and many more.
I imagined it would be a good few months down the line before you'd have to do it though.

froggy, I am not, and would not think of, defending the Conservative Party if it put forward a bill to repeal fox-hunting - I have no issues about disagreeing with policies, both privately and publicly. It's not "my country, right or wrong" - it's "my country right or wrong; when right, to keep it right; when wrong, to put it right."

I was, in fact, pointing out discrepancies in people's statements re "rational" and "non-classist", which, unfortunately, you reinforced with "chinless wonder".

btw, in yesterday's Times

The Tory faithful also faced difficulties over the issue of hunting. The ban will still be in force when the new season begins in November after hunting chiefs were told that a repeal would not be in the Queen’s Speech next week

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Sorry missed a word of my orriginal post




So would you be happy to have 50 hounds jumping in your garden crapping everywhere, wrecking in the garden in the progress and killing your pet dog in the process, then having those red coated pricks on horse back being rude about it, sitting all high and mighty on there horses.

This happened to my nan who lived in the country.

No, I wouldn't. I'm sorry to hear about what happened to your nan, and if that happened then I'm sure she would have been well within her rights to sue the hunt organisers.

killing your pet dog in the process

Well a fox attacked and severely injured one of my pet cats, I have no love for foxes.

This happened to my nan who lived in the country.

This happened to me, and I live in the country




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Originally Posted by Flyboy

These pursuits are also just as objectionable, what is your point?

My point is the law selective, singling out one objectionable pursuit yet freely allowing other objectionable pursuits to continue.

You should either ban them all, or not at all

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Originally Posted by frogstamper

So much for the new tory party...what was it Ken Clarke said the other day? "if we ignore what middle England wants we are finished"

Define "middle England"

[Angua]

One issue many anti fox hunting people probably have the most problems with is the people on the horses. I know many people who own & ride horses, none of whom hunt with hounds.

Chasing foxes is a more instinctual and natural thing for a hound to do. Same as a bird of prey catching wildlife. Or a greyhound chasing a hare.

It is the voyeuristic pleasure taken by the humans involved which is the main issue IMHO.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Ahem - some examples of non-classist rational objections against fox-hunting used in this thread (btw, I do not support fox-hunting).

Chinless Inbred-Tory gets hunted by a load of foxes
i hope that someday you will have a pack of hounds chewing at your nuts
hope the toffs have a painfull/fatal accidents
the hunters should be chased and attacked and ripped apart by the dogs, that would be fun for me to watch.
a load of psychos in red coats

And that was just in the first couple of pages, not counting on this page
rich tory scumbags
red coated pricks on horse back

Where are the examples of non-classist rational objections against fox-hunting that you said you were posting. You seem to have missed your point.

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

So if they agree to that, then they should be free to hunt and kill animals for sport?

I shall hold my breath, baited with anticipation.

[Derek]

Ooops. The Flyboy irony/sarcasm flags might have to get another airing.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Where are the examples of non-classist rational objections against fox-hunting that you said you were posting. You seem to have missed your point.

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I shall hold my breath, baited with anticipation.

Well some one's missed his point that's for sure

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Ooops. The Flyboy irony/sarcasm flags might have to get another airing.

Okay, pray tell, what was the point of the post? Was it to show that there was less rational objections? If it was, why point it out, seeing as my post already made that assumption. Was it to show me that my remarks were not in context? Unlikely, because they were clearly so. Was it to show that some people do not like Tories or upper class twits? Well, I think we knew that already, didn't we? So, like I said, he seemed to have missed his own point.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Okay, pray tell, what was the point of the post? Was it to show that there was less rational objections? If it was, why point it out, seeing as my post already made that assumption. Was it to show me that my remarks were not in context? Unlikely, because they were clearly so. Was it to show that some people do not like Tories or upper class twits? Well, I think we knew that already, didn't we? So, like I said, he seemed to have missed his own point.

You stated

Originally Posted by Flyboy

Just because it has gone of for a long time does not make it right. There is no sport in the torture of another living being, other than the crazed perverted bloodlust of another. The loudest cry of classist behaviour comes not from the objectors of this activity, but from the participants and its supporters (as you have ably proven here). They are the ones whose excuses have been reduced to class, not those who rationally object to its existence.

These pursuits are also just as objectionable, what is your point?

I then provided examples (my apologies for not stating that I was being ironic, but most others seemed to understand) of anti-hunt posters whose comments could not be classified as being of "those who rationally opject to its existence".

Could you point out where those who support hunting (of which I am not one) issued cries of classist behaviour? Have they called non-supporters "oiks" or "commoners"? Or is it that they stated their belief that the New Labour Government had spent an inordinate amount of Parliamentary time to focus on hunting using "class war" rhetoric?

btw, may I point out that using the phrase "crazed perverted bloodlust" in your post might not be classified as "rational".

[Sirius]

Someone in this thread asked if any of the anti hunt people have been to a hunt, Unfortunately yes i have. I have watched members of the Cheshire hunt bay and scream at the kill. I have seen them spread the blood of the kill on youngsters faces as an initiation ceremony. The sport has no other purpose than to give a bunch of screaming baying idiots pleasure at seeing an poor animal that has had to run for miles for it life ripped to shreds by a pack of dogs. Mean while the barbarians who are watching are having a grand old time and applauding how humane they think they have been.

Personally i would love to see the dogs turn on the huntsman but that would not be fair game would it.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Someone in this thread asked if any of the anti hunt people have been to a hunt, Unfortunately yes i have. I have watched member of the Cheshire hunt bay and scream at the kill. I have seen them spread the blood on the kill on youngsters faces as an initiation ceremony.

There have been a few street fights like that in Belfast over the years!!

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

There have been a few srtreet fights like that in Belfast over the years!!

Indeed

[Bluffdemon]

why don't we have hunt the terrorist instead ??? leave the dam fox's alone

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and please anybody who says a fox is a pest and verim needs to be shot , who decided they were this way anyway oh i know the morons who had nothing better to do at the weekend than play lord and master of the countryside , muppets thats all they are

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Indeed

You probably started most of 'em!!