Child grooming gang found guilty

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by martyh

I think in the Rochdale case the reason why many people said it was a racial case is because the defendants said it was ..........no guess work needed .

Exactly! I don't know why we are even having this discussion. They admitted that they deliberately picked white girls.....in an area of the country where there is no lack of choice of asian girls......

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Exactly! I don't know why we are even having this discussion. They admitted that they deliberately picked white girls.....in an area of the country where there is no lack of choice of asian girls......

I don't think that's quite what they said. I think they picked vulnerable girls from white communities but not just because they were white. Where is the actual quote, I can't find it in the BBC News report.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-unfolded.html

They seem to have targeting white girls because they saw them as more easy to exploit, i.e the background, rather than the colour of their skin. That does add an element of race to it but not quite in the same way as a 'racially motivated crime'. Their race wasn't the motivation but a means they used to find victims who they viewed as easier to exploit. Although I can't find a quote.

I believe the defendants said it was a racist case because they thought the prosecution, and the judge in the case, were racist.

Guardian

He (Ahmed) was banned from the courtroom in Liverpool for his sentencing hearing because of his threatening behaviour and for calling Clifton a "racist *******".

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Damien

I don't think that's quite what they said. I think they picked vulnerable girls from white communities but not just because they were white. Where is the actual quote, I can't find it in the BBC News report.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-unfolded.html

They seem to have targeting white girls because they saw them as more easy to exploit, i.e the background, rather than the colour of their skin. That does add an element of race to it but not quite in the same way as a 'racially motivated crime'. Their race wasn't the motivation but a means they used to find victims who they viewed as easier to exploit. Although I can't find a quote.

Exactly. There might be a lot of asian girls in Rochford, but it's going to be a lot more difficult plying a asian (and most likely ) muslim girl who is very likely not to drink or smoke, with alcohol or booze in the first instance, than a young girl who is already drinking or who doesnt see drink as being haraam. It's also going to be a lot harder picking up asian muslim girls as I doubt they would be out and about on their own that much.

If I was a thief I would be robbing the car were the doors had been left unlocked, not one where I would need to smash the quarter glass. I hope the analogy makes some sense.

Racially motivated crime, I doubt it very much.

Hideous crime - we all agree it was.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Racially motivated crime, I doubt it very much.

Agreed. It was sexually motivated. They targeted a a particular race because white girls were 'easier' imo

[nomadking]

Being vulnerable may have helped with ensnaring the girls, but it was threats of violence that allowed things to expand and escalate to something akin to sex trafficking. Are the white girls the only non-Asian(ie Pakistani) ones?
Link

One of the men on trial in Liverpool said: "You white people train them in sex and drinking, so when they come to us they are fully trained." Others have told their victims it is fine to sleep with them "because it's what we do in our country".

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Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused Pakistani community elders of "burying their heads in the sand" on the issue of on-street grooming. "There is a significant problem for the British Pakistani community," he said.
"There should be no silence in addressing the issue of race as this is central to the actions of these criminals.
"They think that white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused without a second thought; it is this sort of behaviour that is bringing shame on our community."

[Julian]

So it looks like the problem was/is much bigger and was played down because

"there are sensitivities of ethnicity with potential to endanger the harmony of community relationships".

No surprises there, as admitted at the time.

LINKY

[Gary L]

****.

[Taf]

"....the harmony of community relationships"

I think they actually believe there is harmony in the community.

Originally Posted by Taf

I think they actually believe there is harmony in the community.

Then they are even more stupid then we thought from the outset? What is wrong with society? I despair.

Originally Posted by jempalmer

Then they are even more stupid then we thought from the outset? What is wrong with society? I despair.

too many people with their head in the sand and talking out their backside

[Osem]

Social services and police "missed opportunities" to stop the sexual abuse of young girls in Rochdale, a report into a grooming scandal has revealed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-19739073

The report also shows some officials believed vulnerable girls as young as 10 - who were being groomed for sexual abuse - were "making their own choices".

[nomadking]

They didn't "miss" any opportunities, they deliberately and maliciously ignored them.

[Osem]

I must agree that far harsher terminology would seem more appropriate in this case but then that seems to have been avoided from start to finish. Mustn't offend anyone after all....

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-19739073

it is not possible for under age girls to give consent to sex so it begs the question ,why are the police turning europe up side down looking for a teacher who has gone to france with a 15 yr old and they don't even know if he has had sex with her but when one of the girls in rochdale complains that she has been raped and threatened with violence the authorities do nothing .This scandal is on a par if not worse than the baby'p' scandal and heads at the highest level both with social services and the police should roll