London Mayor election 2012

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

And they would have been just as wrong. Equally you can say that had a Tory had that joke then some people will have been defending it as a 'joke'.



People are flippant and joke all the time about serious matters. I have heard jokes at funerals of all places, we have jokes about death, war and disasters. It's just a human trait. People need to grow a thicker skin. Of all the matters to get upset about, really.

I'm a lot more upset by the mess they left than the stupid comment Byrne made but it signifies the sort of detachment from reality that he and his party like to label the Tories with. Hypocrisy, inept government, lies and spin - yup when it comes to Labour's legacy to the people there's a lot more to be upset about than Byrne's pathetic attempt at humour.

Anyway, when it comes to the finances of London, I'm a lot happier to have Boris in charge than another loony left spendthrift whose answer to everything is chuck taxpayers' money at it.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Peter_

The difference up here is that we are much more friendly and will talk to other people and do not feel affronted as most people in London would do if they were spoken to by a stranger.

We have a different mentality as oddly it is you guys that tend to carry rain forests around on both shoulders and have the need to feel so insular and unsure of the other persons intentions.

Plus we will call a spade a spade and that goes for both Boris and his fellow clown Ken, no matter how well educated they may be the is no getting away from the fact that both are idiots.

Again if you were in London you'd see things differently, such as realising that what you just said is nonsense.

Insular is a pretty interesting word to describe Londoners too given London is as multicultural as they come.

Pulling out the usual stereotypes is par for the course I guess.

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Congrats Boris.
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The Labour (spend) and Conservative (save) is all too true and possibly while the cycle was 4-5 years things didn't get too out of hand. But with long periods of spend the debt is now so massive we will need a much more extended period of save to recover and then people will get so tired of it they will elect spenders for long periods.

Also the economic cycle is somewhat behind the political so we are still in Labour economics and by the time election arrives and Tories economics start to impact likely get a Labour government who then claim immediate success of their policies.

Conservative save? You're having a laugh. These guys are still spending like the wind, just on the wrong things. They've done less than 12% of the cuts but hit us with the vast majority of the tax rises.

You're thinking of genuinely conservative governments, not the bunch of tools posing as Tories in power now.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Chris

Peter, you come from Tory-hating Liverpool and you live in the Tory-loathing, one-party commune of Knowsley, whose council is now slightly famous for consisting entirely of members of the Labour party. Your bias is well known and therefore easy to take into account when reading your posts.

First and foremost look to yourself for bias, as with most tory supporters you dislike the thought of anyone saying anything about the policies put in place by the average tory government because they tend to have a detrimental impact on the ordinary people of this county, this is because in the main we have policies put in place that help their well heeled friends and not the average person.

How many cabinet members of this or any other tory government have actual first hand knowledge of the way real people actually live in this country, many getting by on very little due to cutbacks in services and benefits, we even have threads on these subjects on this forum.

I find it truly sad that you have to use the area that I live in to try and win your case, now that is sinking to new depths just to try and put an argument across but no more or less than to be expected from a tory.

The average tory supporter tend to believe everything is fine even while the country is in a state of collapse around them, the tale of Nero and Rome burning springs to mind.

I know that you or another supporter will be along to try and twist my meanings because you cannot believe that the tory party could ever act in such a way, but it is just history repeating itself as in the time of the tories and the whigs when the man in the street never had the right to vote due to their class.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Peter_

First and foremost look to yourself for bias, as with most tory supporters you dislike the thought of anyone saying anything about the policies put in place by the average tory government because they tend to have a detrimental impact on the ordinary people of this county, this is because in the main we have policies put in place that help their well heeled friends and not the average person.

How many cabinet members of this or any other tory government have actual first hand knowledge of the way real people actually live in this country, many getting by on very little due to cutbacks in services and benefits, we even have threads on these subjects on this forum.

I find it truly sad that you have to use the area that I live in to try and win your case, now that is sinking to new depths just to try and put an argument across but no more or less than to be expected from a tory.

The average tory supporter tend to believe everything is fine even while the country is in a state of collapse around them, the tale of Nero and Rome burning springs to mind.

I know that you or another supporter will be along to try and twist my meanings because you cannot believe that the tory party could ever act in such a way, but it is just history repeating itself as in the time of the tories and the whigs when the man in the street never had the right to vote due to their class.

All i need do is change Tory for Labour and i can fit that post to you


Its not the first time Labour spent all of this countries money and i am sure when the Tories have fixed the issues and Labour con there way back into power and get hold of the counties money again they will bring us to our knees pretty dam quickly

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Sirius

All i need do is change Tory for Labour and i can fit that post to you


Its not the first time Labour spent all of this countries money and i am sure when the Tories have fixed the issues and Labour con there way back into power and get hold of the counties money again they will bring us to our knees pretty dam quickly

The Labour party in recent years have been little different to the Conservatives all snouts in the trough but many policies under the Conservatives do little for the ordinary people but much more for their supporters who fund the party.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Sirius

All i need do is change Tory for Labour and i can fit that post to you


Its not the first time Labour spent all of this countries money and i am sure when the Tories have fixed the issues and Labour con there way back into power and get hold of the counties money again they will bring us to our knees pretty dam quickly

Unsure if you've noticed but this set of Tories continue to spend far too much, on the wrong things.

Fiscal Year 2011
Central Government £512 billion
Local Authority £179 billion
Total Spending £691 billion

Public Pensions £122 billion
National Health Care £121 billion
Social Security £110 billion
State Protection £34 billion
State Education £91 billion
Defence £46 billion

Fiscal Year 2012
Central Government £527 billion
Local Authority £185 billion
Total Spending £713 billion

Public Pensions £129 billion
National Health Care £124 billion
Social Security £112 billion
State Protection £33 billion
State Education £93 billion
Defence £47 billion

Fiscal Year 2013
Central Government £540 billion
Local Authority £192 billion
Total Spending £731 billion

Public Pensions £137 billion
National Health Care £125 billion
Social Security £111 billion
State Protection £33 billion
State Education £90 billion
Defence £44 billion

Taking money away from the kids' education, the armed forces and social protection and giving it to the wealthiest group in increased pensions to keep their votes. *******s.

EDIT: Fundamentally if discussing the Tories and their 'conservative' policies there's these figures:

Total Public Spending in the United Kingdom Fiscal Year 2010 = £669 billion
Total Public Spending in the United Kingdom Fiscal Year 2015 = £770 billion

Originally Posted by Sirius

All i need do is change Tory for Labour and i can fit that post to you


Its not the first time Labour spent all of this countries money and i am sure when the Tories have fixed the issues and Labour con there way back into power and get hold of the counties money again they will bring us to our knees pretty dam quickly

Crikey Sirius.Are you advocating that we never have any other party than Conservative?I really couldn't face the jam tomorrow brigade for ever. It's nice to get jam every week with Labour while they are in..

[Hom3r]

The funny thing is one day BOJO could be the next Tory leader, and you never know PM?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

The funny thing is one day BOJO could be the next Tory leader, and you never know PM?

How is that funny, imo it's a frightening prospect and I strongly suspect he not only wants the top job but he'll challenge for it before the next general election.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How is that funny, imo it's a frightening prospect and I strongly suspect he not only wants the top job but he'll challenge for it before the next general election.

definately ,as much as i like Boris i wouldn't want him as leader of the country

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

How is that funny, imo it's a frightening prospect and I strongly suspect he not only wants the top job but he'll challenge for it before the next general election.

Be very surprised if he could challenge for it before the next election. There would have to be a rather large political event for that to happen.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Crikey Sirius.Are you advocating that we never have any other party than Conservative?I really couldn't face the jam tomorrow brigade for ever. It's nice to get jam every week with Labour while they are in..

I dont care any more because soon i will not be able to comment.

As i will not be voting ever again it will not therefor be right for me to complain about the expenses stealing lying scumbags that are in power at the time.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Be very surprised if he could challenge for it before the next election. There would have to be a rather large political event for that to happen.

A large political event like a by election for instance.

[Ignitionnet]

He's already on record as saying he will serve his full mayoral term. It'd take a pretty seismic shift in things for him to renege on that.

Originally Posted by Sirius

I dont care any more because soon i will not be able to comment.

As i will not be voting ever again it will not therefor be right for me to complain about the expenses stealing lying scumbags that are in power at the time.

Well as turnout here was under 30% I reckon that this is the direction that future turn outs will be.I'm wondering how low it has to get before someone realises that they really have to come up with some workable ideas to get people voting again.