Application Throttling/Management

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by Sirius

And that's because its far easier to cram as many users as they can on the network and just STM it to hell while only investing in STM.

And if they had gone ahead with it? Would anyone on here actually accepted it?

Originally Posted by grubbymitts

"Virgin Media has an open and transparent traffic management policy listed at www.virginmedia.com/traffic. Our policy does not discriminate internet traffic by application and we have no plans to do so. Whilst we do use equipment from Allot within parts of our cable network, this is used to build usage metrics and does not affect customers’ service in any way. It is certainly not used to do any form of packet shaping or change internet traffic priorities.�

Trax, I'm having difficulty finding that in there. I suppose you could read it like that if you squint a little, move words about and generally put more in. I've ordered you a tinfoil hat, all in the name of goodhearted fun of course.

I hope you are completely wrong

Allot is already used on the ADSL side of the network where they already use it to shape p2p/usenet and traffic during peak hours so that's one lie direct from VM there

*no plans*...that means no plans right now (again, trials cant be discussed to public)...the new daytime STM had *no plans* to be rolled out either.

They even publically said that, what VM say and what VM do are extremely differet matters.

[Horace]

I don't trust either VM or Traxdata on any of this, both lost credibility in my eyes long ago, however, if this does get implemented and they target only the heaviest downloaders then they have no excuse for keeping STM, especially on the lowest tiers and should be removed, benefiting the majority of users and only hitting those that detremientally affect the rest of the users (sounds like a VM blurb I know).

[BenMcr]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Allot is already used on the ADSL side of the network where they already use it to shape p2p/usenet and traffic during peak hours so that's one lie direct from VM there

It is not a lie. They were specifically referring to the cable network (Which is why it links to the cable traffic management page, not the ADSL traffic page), as you specifically mentioned the addtion of application managment on the cable network

The ADSL traffic management page here http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html does already mention that they application manage

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And if they had gone ahead with it? Would anyone on here actually accepted it?

Who knows as we were not given the choice - its a "we are doing it this way so deal with it" attitude VM have towards their customers, and the majority of CS reps are the same when you speak to them - rude arrogant and up VM's backsides as much as they can be. Its not only the network they need to invest in but hiring proper people who know how to deal with Customers not 90% numpties who are straight from school and think the world owes them something (anyway that parts off topic)

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by BenMcr

And if they had gone ahead with it? Would anyone on here actually accepted it?

You are joking even asking that

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by Horace

I don't trust either VM or Traxdata on any of this, both lost credibility in my eyes long ago, however, if this does get implemented and they target only the heaviest downloaders then they have no excuse for keeping STM, especially on the lowest tiers and should be removed, benefiting the majority of users and only hitting those that detremientally affect the rest of the users (sounds like a VM blurb I know).

Are you classing me as a user who affects other users as I simply use my broadband to download e-mails and play online games? given that online gaming can cause an issue. VM wont target anyone specifically as that involves time and more money picking out who these people are, far easier for them to lump everyone together as pirates, abusers of the internet and screw everyone over at the same time

Originally Posted by Horace

I don't trust either VM or Traxdata on any of this, both lost credibility in my eyes long ago, however, if this does get implemented and they target only the heaviest downloaders then they have no excuse for keeping STM, especially on the lowest tiers and should be removed, benefiting the majority of users and only hitting those that detremientally affect the rest of the users (sounds like a VM blurb I know).

Each to their own, people can believe whatever they wnat to believe however a fair few sources have even contacted me and also admitted its being run

Interestingly STM is in talks about being removed on lower tiers when this is implemented.

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

It is not a lie. They were specifically referring to the cable network (Which is why it links to the cable traffic management page, not the ADSL traffic page), as you specifically mentioned the addtion of application managment on the cable network

The ADSL traffic management page here http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html does already mention that they application manage

Alright then, more of a different choice of words shall we say.

My point is, they say ALLOT is only used for other things, when infact its already used on the ADSL part of the network for shaping, it's not a direct lie but it's hardly the truth either as VM were asked about both adsl/cable.

[Horace]

Originally Posted by LostintheNW

Are you classing me as a user who affects other users as I simply use my broadband to download e-mails and play online games? given that online gaming can cause an issue. VM wont target anyone specifically as that involves time and more money picking out who these people are, far easier for them to lump everyone together as pirates, abusers of the internet and screw everyone over at the same time

Originally Posted by TraxData

This, is, as far as one is aware going to be used for both in and out of peak hours for whoever they see "fit" as a heavy user.

Who knows.

[LostintheNW]

Originally Posted by Horace

Who knows.

Well if little old me who downloads not much only plays online games is a heavy user, fook knows what they are going to make of someone who dares download a few mp3 files bought from iTunes etc

Perhaps I should be like you and only use it to browse internet forums? and yes thats a general assumption of you given you are "implying" I am a heavy user

[Horace]

I don't know how you dare download MP3's on Virgins superior network.


Flac is so much better.

Originally Posted by Horace

I don't know how you dare download MP3's on Virgins superior network.


Flac is so much better.

LOl although we dont agree on many things i so have to give you a rep for that

[Rik]

Originally Posted by TraxData

They even publically said that, what VM say and what VM do are extremely differet matters.

I think VM will be getting the concrete boots ready for you soon Trax!
Silence him! at all costs!

They may even offer you some money trax to shut up I heard they like no love wasting customers money

Headline Read VM silence loud mouth from forum TRAXDATA no offense for the loud mouth just making a joke trax

[peanut]

When we hear Trax saying VM are wonderful etc, then we'll soon know.