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Old 18-09-2017, 12:35   #2161
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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I never said that they weren't, they are not recent, so never had the reason to bring them up, not a fan of either of them or Jeb Bush who ran in the Primaries in 2016 US Election.

Let's look at what each current living President earns or has earned per paid for speech, after leaving office... Starting with the President that earns the least.









Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/former-pre...g-fees-3368127

And $104 Million is just what Bill has earned, his other half, Hillary charges extortionate sums too and she was only U.S Secretary of State for a number of years.

Barack Obama, is already said to have earned $800,000 in paid for speeches since leaving office, his speaking fee is said to be around $400,000. Which is what he was paid for, in a 90 Minute Wall Street speech, earlier this year.

It's a very lucrative life, it seems once leaving office.
... even if you were a liar in office as we know all too well both here and in the US. Mind you we never did hear to much from the usual bandwagon jumping celebrity clique about those things yet they have so much time to spend mocking Trump no matter what he does.
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Old 18-09-2017, 13:16   #2162
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... even if you were a liar in office as we know all too well both here and in the US. Mind you we never did hear to much from the usual bandwagon jumping celebrity clique about those things yet they have so much time to spend mocking Trump no matter what he does.
From all accounts, the Emmys last night was a pure Trump bashing session. There is me thinking it was an award ceremony.

Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos, comes to mind, do these idiots not realise that they are alienating over 60 million who voted for Trump, while probably pissing off the other half of Hillary's voters for bringing politics in to it?
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Didn't you know the majority of "Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos" are lovvie liberals who love preaching to us what our values should be whilst quite happily earning their millions?
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Didn't you know the majority of "Pompous Hollywood or Hollyweirdos" are lovvie liberals who love preaching to us what our values should be whilst quite happily earning their millions?
Yes, the irony and hypocrisy evident is supreme. They talk about 'walls' whilst surrounding themselves, their property and their millions with them wherever they can. They talk about housing yet own many. They talk about the environment and think owning a Prius makes up for their stable of luxury vehicles. They talk about humanity but what humanity does anyone who dares to stray onto their private estates, beaches, communities receive?
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

They're trying again to repeal Obamacare:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-repeal-242821

This one seems more extreme as it's going to cut the protection for pre-existing conditions and make cuts to medicare.

It looks like they might have the votes this time.
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They're trying again to repeal Obamacare:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...-repeal-242821

This one seems more extreme as it's going to cut the protection for pre-existing conditions and make cuts to medicare.

It looks like they might have the votes this time.
If, as you say, this bill is more extreme and almost certain to be passed, then surely the ones to blame are the ones who blocked the previous less extreme one.

Surely if the Democrats and Republicans had got together to come up with an alternative to Obamacare instead of bickering between themselves they would not be in this situation now.

As both friends of Mick and myself (of both Democrat and Republican persuasion) will tell you Obama care needed reforming. It had ceased to be fit for purpose. That is their opinion not mine nor Mick's.
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If, as you say, this bill is more extreme and almost certain to be passed, then surely the ones to blame are the ones who blocked the previous less extreme one.
People need to stand by their voting record. The people who pass this bill are those who voted to pass it. If the bill is passed and signed by the President then it is they who take the credit for those whose premiums fall and the blame for those who lose healthcare because of pre-existing conditions.

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Surely if the Democrats and Republicans had got together to come up with an alternative to Obamacare instead of bickering between themselves they would not be in this situation now.
It's not as easy as finding an alternative to Obamacare. People were promised people wouldn't lose insurance and it would be cheaper. How do you do that? You can't. So either people lose protections for pre-existing conditions making other people's healthcare cheaper or the government pays in more as subsidy.

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As both friends of Mick and myself (of both Democrat and Republican persuasion) will tell you Obama care needed reforming. It had ceased to be fit for purpose. That is their opinion not mine nor Mick's.
Everyone has American associates. It's a big country. It's a very divided country on what should happen. Everyone, including Obama himself, has said Obamacare needs improving. Many Democrats from the Sanders wing want Single-payer. Many Republicans want it essentially abolished. Many voters want to keep all the good things about Obamacare but cheaper.

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Money grabbing?

So what are China then, being allowed to build pollution busting power plants, while still part of the accord?
This is what China committed to in the accord by 2030:

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Peaking of carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 and making best efforts to peak early;

Lowering carbon dioxide intensity (carbon dioxide emissions per unit of GDP) by 60 to 65 percent from the 2005 level;

Increasing the share of non-fossil fuels in primary energy consumption to around 20 percent; and

Increasing the forest stock volume by around 4.5 billion cubic meters from the 2005 level.
China's carbon emissions are falling, have been since 2015 when they started really cutting back on coal usage, and they are leading the world in investment in renewables. They are responsible for 1/3rd of the world's entire investment in them at last figures.

http://fs-unep-centre.org/sites/defa...16lowres_0.pdf

They've recently built the world's largest off-shore solar farm for instance.

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/201...-power-target/

Leading them to have broken their 2020 target for solar generation, set in 2016, this year. They now have twice the solar capacity of the United States.

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