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Old 03-12-2017, 14:32   #2671
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

The agent in question was fired by Muller as soon as an internal investigation found that out to be fair.
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The agent in question was fired by Muller as soon as an internal investigation found that out to be fair.
But the agent concerned was a lead investigator in the Clinton FBI Email investigation.

Sure let’s investigate Trump and what happened but it has to be fair and unbiased. We have already had reports of the Tarmac meeting with Bill Clinton and the then Attorney General, Loretta Lynch days before investigation is ended, but wasn’t an investigation according to the AG, it was a “matter”.

Hillary lied under Oath that she did not send/receive classified emails through her private email server, wtf is her charges for lying to Congressional investigators?

Then FBI documents recently released to Judicial Watch under a FOI request, apparently show the FBI wanted to go after the mole who leaked that tarmac meeting to the press, why when all that was said to have been discussed was the grandkids for 40 minutes. ?
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Old 03-12-2017, 16:14   #2673
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After years of Comey, with the phony and dishonest Clinton investigation (and more), running the FBI, its reputation is in Tatters - worst in History! But fear not, we will bring it back to greatness.

03/12/2017, 13:00
This is the President of the United States publicly slamming the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the midst of a FBI investigation into his transition team and administration that has already led to 4 prosecutions and 2 plea deals, including two of his senior advisors.

Doesn’t he understand how this looks?
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Old 03-12-2017, 16:15   #2674
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This is the President of the United States publicly slamming the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the midst of a FBI investigation into his transition team and administration that has already led to 4 prosecutions and 2 plea deals, including two of his senior advisors.

Doesn’t he understand how this looks?
Evidently not. Or he's calculated that his supporters don't care and will actually add to his fan base...

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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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This is the President of the United States publicly slamming the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the midst of a FBI investigation into his transition team and administration that has already led to 4 prosecutions and 2 plea deals, including two of his senior advisors.

Doesn’t he understand how this looks?
Hopefully the penny's starting to drop with his supporters and they like everyone else will appreciate how excrutiating this looks and will themselves stop blaming the media for his incompetence, lies and personal insecurity.
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Old 03-12-2017, 22:46   #2676
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

How many members have a good memory of the way Trump was acting during the Election.
He was extreme;y confident that he would WIN. Each time he was asked the same question ' DO YOU WILL THINK YOU WILL WIN' his answer was 'WE SHALL SEE'

He walk off with his usual smile.

After he won, he sack the FBI director. And now the FBI is getting is getting a battering from Trump.

He has the damn cheek then to try and get at Clinton.

I think that before long, he get collared by the FBI.

There is a billionaire in the States, who wants him impeached. But l think people are scared of him.
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Old 04-12-2017, 21:11   #2677
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...ustice-n826231
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President Donald Trump's personal lawyer, John Dowd, revealed Monday a potential legal defense in the ongoing Russia probe, claiming that a president cannot obstruct justice.

"The president cannot obstruct justice because he is the chief law enforcement officer under (the Constitution's Article II) and has every right to express his view of any case," Dowd told NBC News Monday.
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On Saturday, July 27, the House Judiciary Committee approved its first article of impeachment charging President Nixon with obstruction of justice. Six of the Committee's 17 Republicans joined all 21 Democrats in voting for the article. The following Monday the Committee approved its second article charging Nixon with abuse of power. The next day, the third and final article, contempt of Congress, was approved.

Articles of Impeachment:

RESOLVED, That Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment to be exhibited to the Senate:

ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT EXHIBITED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN THE NAME OF ITSELF AND OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AGAINST RICHARD M. NIXON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, IN MAINTENANCE AND SUPPORT OF ITS IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM FOR HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANOURS.

Article 1: Obstruction of Justice.

In his conduct of the office of the President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prevented, obstructed, and impeded the administration of justice, in that: On June 17, 1972, and prior thereto, agents of the Committee for the Re-Election of the President committed unlawful entry of the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee in Washington, District of Columbia, for the purpose of securing political intelligence. Subsequent thereto, Richard M. Nixon, using the powers of his high office, engaged personally and through his subordinates and agents in a course of conduct or plan designed to delay, impede and obstruct investigations of such unlawful entry; to cover up, conceal and protect those responsible and to conceal the existence and scope of other unlawful covert activities. The means used to implement this course of conduct or plan have included one or more of the following:

(1) Making or causing to be made false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(2) Withholding relevant and material evidence or information from lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States.

(3) Approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counseling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employes of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings.

(4) Interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations by the Department of Justice of the United States, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the office of Watergate Special Prosecution Force and congressional committees.
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Republicans on the Judiciary Committee drafted a total of four articles of impeachment based on 60,000 pages of evidence provided by Ken Starr. The evidence included sworn testimony, grand jury transcripts, depositions, statements, affidavits, along with video and audio tapes, all concerning Clinton's attempts to conceal his extramarital affair with Lewinsky during the Paula Jones lawsuit and subsequent criminal investigation by Starr's office.

On Friday, December 11, the Judiciary Committee voted mainly along party lines to approve the first three articles of impeachment, accusing Clinton of committing perjury before Starr's grand jury and in the Jones case, and with obstruction of justice in the Jones case. Only one Republican on the committee sided with Democrats by casting a no vote on Article 2 charging Clinton with perjury in the Jones case.

On Saturday, the fourth article was approved, accusing Clinton of making false statements in his answers to the 81 written questions. The four articles were then forwarded to the full House of Representatives for consideration. Republicans controlled the House with 228 members compared to 206 Democrats and one Independent who normally sided with the Democrats.
Trump may wish to find a new lawyer...
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I think it is disingenuous of you Hugh, to compare cases of Nixon and or Clinton and claims of Trump so called Obstruction of Justice today.

For a start, the Nixon era, his high crimes were proven, he paid hush money, withheld information, told people to lie. Destroyed evidence. There was a clear case of Obstruction of Justice for President Nixon, what crimes has President Trump committed ?

Answer: None so far that have yet been proven.

The President of the United States has the Constitutional Power to fire the FBI Director and for any reason he deems fit to. He could have fired him for the reason being, it was Tuesday.

He also has the authority to direct the Justice Department who to investigate, who not to investigate.

So in this case, Trump fired Comey and he was thinking of the 'Russia thing' when he made that call. Firing the FBI Director did not derail the Russia investigation, it has proceeded apace under the Director whom Trump appointed to replace Comey.

For Congress to charge President Trump with Obstruction of Justice would cause a Constitutional Crisis because the President has those uncontested powers and there are precedents, because Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt all used the Constitutional Power to give such directives and he cannot be charged for just using his Constitutional Authority, as the Executive Branch grants.
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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

Well it seems like...

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The US Supreme Court has ruled President Donald Trump's travel ban on six mainly Muslim countries can go fully into effect.
Seven of the nine justices granted the administration's request to lift injunctions imposed by lower courts.
But the directive against travellers from Chad, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen still faces legal challenges.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42231806
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And no other court in the US can now overturn that ruling.
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I think they can? I believe the order allows it to go into effect whilst legal challenges continue (rather than being on hold as they were when the initial set of bans came in). I don't think it's a final ruling. Usually those going on for a while and the judgments come with a majority and dissenting opinion too.
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Other huge, bombshell news which is now also being reported in last half hour, even by CNN and that is saying something..

"The FBI agent dismissed from special counsel Robert Mueller's probe changed former FBI Director James Comey’s language describing Hillary Clinton’s actions from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless,”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/04/po...mey0424PMStory

That is significant because being 'grossly negligent' is a potential crime. The toning down of the language being used and by an FBI investigator with a political motivation, is deeply troubling for the FBI Investigation that was conducted under James Comey's watch.
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I think it is disingenuous of you Hugh, to compare cases of Nixon and or Clinton and claims of Trump so called Obstruction of Justice today.

For a start, the Nixon era, his high crimes were proven, he paid hush money, withheld information, told people to lie. Destroyed evidence. There was a clear case of Obstruction of Justice for President Nixon, what crimes has President Trump committed ?

Answer: None so far that have yet been proven.

The President of the United States has the Constitutional Power to fire the FBI Director and for any reason he deems fit to. He could have fired him for the reason being, it was Tuesday.

He also has the authority to direct the Justice Department who to investigate, who not to investigate.

So in this case, Trump fired Comey and he was thinking of the 'Russia thing' when he made that call. Firing the FBI Director did not derail the Russia investigation, it has proceeded apace under the Director whom Trump appointed to replace Comey.

For Congress to charge President Trump with Obstruction of Justice would cause a Constitutional Crisis because the President has those uncontested powers and there are precedents, because Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt all used the Constitutional Power to give such directives and he cannot be charged for just using his Constitutional Authority, as the Executive Branch grants.
I may not have been clear - Trump’s lawyer said a President could not be charged with Obstruction of Justice - I pointed out that that was not the case, as two Presidents in recent history had been.

I was not commenting on the validity, or lack of, of any charges that may be raised against Trump.
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I think they can? I believe the order allows it to go into effect whilst legal challenges continue (rather than being on hold as they were when the initial set of bans came in). I don't think it's a final ruling. Usually those going on for a while and the judgments come with a majority and dissenting opinion too.
"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all, the Constitution."

All other courts are 'lower' to it.

I think the above reads final.

The justices have said the policy can take full effect despite multiple legal challenges against it that haven’t yet made their way through the judicial system, so it is now pointless these legal challenges contesting it.
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"The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all, the Constitution."

All other courts are 'lower' to it.
Yes I know but they ruled on if the law can take effect whilst it's going though the courts. Not on the law itself. They're different things.

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The justices have said the policy can take full effect despite multiple legal challenges against it that haven’t yet made their way through the judicial system, so it is now pointless these legal challenges contesting it.
Not necessarily because whilst the Supreme Court is probably likely to rule in favour of the law itself they haven't yet done so. It will still need to wind it's way though the court system before it ends up at the Supreme Court itself at which point they'll deliver a final judgement.

---------- Post added at 22:27 ---------- Previous post was at 22:24 ----------

http://www.scotusblog.com/2017/12/ju...s/#more-264695

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Today the justices agreed to the federal government’s request. In two brief orders (available here and here), the court permitted the Trump administration to enforce the September 24 order while the courts of appeals consider the government’s appeals and, if necessary, during review in the Supreme Court.
This isn't a final judgement on the law itself, the case hasn't been heard by the Supreme Court. As I said such judgments are a longer, bigger, process.
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