Government & Post Election Discussion
01-10-2017, 18:37
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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The most interesting thing about that man is trying to work out his level of delusion versus his level of deceit. About the only things that trump (pun intended) either of those are his incompetence and his ambition.
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Apparently, Kipling has written a fitting poem for Boris:
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I agree with nearly all of your post, except the bit about funding.
Whilst 9k is more than delivery cost of some Arts degrees, it does not go anyway near covering the cost of the STE part of the STEM courses, and does not take into consideration the ongoing costs of maintaining and enhancing University infrastructure (buildings, faculty resources, IT, etc.).
In the past (before fees came in) these costs were mostly covered by one-off tranches from Central Government - all these now needs to be met by student fees (or bonds raised against the future income from Student Fees). Also, Universities pays VAT on most of the goods and services they receive, but can only recover a small percentage of VAT, via partial exemption recovery rules, which puts a 20% loading on most purchases.
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The problem we have is the actual cost of delivery is not available on a per subject basis. I am sure that you are correct regarding the more labour & infrastructure intensive courses costing more than the 9250 but of course these STEM subjects do lead to prospects of significantly higher incomes post-graduation.
It is the lack of visibility of costing that is the biggest failing of the current system, in conjunction with the cartel price fixing. An English degree from Hudderfield costs the student the same as a Physics degree from Oxford. The perceived quality of said degree together with the likely employment options are a long way apart.
Also, you mention enhancing University infrastructure: there is a danger of some Universities spending more to be seen are more attractive, especially for the more profitable foreign students when arguably, more modest spending would be sufficient.
I feel the current system is very broken especially compared to other European countries
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01-10-2017, 18:50
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I really wish we could have Ruth Davidson as PM. She is trending on Twitter at the moment.
What she said about Corbyn earlier.... "He hasn't even won a raffle".
Also... "Politics is not for faint hearts. It's not about what's in fashion or who is the absolute boy,"
"Just as the SNP came crashing down to earth, Just as they lost 40% of their seats in June, Just as half a million Scots chose to take their vote away, so too can the Corbyn bubble burst, but only if we work hard to make it so. Because, you know what? People tire of being offered free unicorns. Of easy promises that don't add up."
http://news.sky.com/story/ruth-david...er-10-11063335
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01-10-2017, 19:14
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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I really wish we could have Ruth Davidson as PM. She is trending on Twitter at the moment.
What she said about Corbyn earlier.... "He hasn't even won a raffle".
Also... "Politics is not for faint hearts. It's not about what's in fashion or who is the absolute boy,"
"Just as the SNP came crashing down to earth, Just as they lost 40% of their seats in June, Just as half a million Scots chose to take their vote away, so too can the Corbyn bubble burst, but only if we work hard to make it so. Because, you know what? People tire of being offered free unicorns. Of easy promises that don't add up."
http://news.sky.com/story/ruth-david...er-10-11063335
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Yes people certainly tire of easy promises that is for sure but they also tire of promises made and not kept as well.
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01-10-2017, 19:42
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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I really wish we could have Ruth Davidson as PM. She is trending on Twitter at the moment.
What she said about Corbyn earlier.... "He hasn't even won a raffle".
Also... "Politics is not for faint hearts. It's not about what's in fashion or who is the absolute boy,"
"Just as the SNP came crashing down to earth, Just as they lost 40% of their seats in June, Just as half a million Scots chose to take their vote away, so too can the Corbyn bubble burst, but only if we work hard to make it so. Because, you know what? People tire of being offered free unicorns. Of easy promises that don't add up."
http://news.sky.com/story/ruth-david...er-10-11063335
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She came across very well in the Brexit debates and I think that was when the whole country noticed her. She remains in great form and is knocking the more extreme Brexiter daydreamers and Corbynites who both share a zeal for promising to turn water into wine. I think she would make a great Prime Minister.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7975191.html
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01-10-2017, 20:13
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
I really wish we could have Ruth Davidson as PM. She is trending on Twitter at the moment.
What she said about Corbyn earlier.... "He hasn't even won a raffle".
Also... "Politics is not for faint hearts. It's not about what's in fashion or who is the absolute boy,"
"Just as the SNP came crashing down to earth, Just as they lost 40% of their seats in June, Just as half a million Scots chose to take their vote away, so too can the Corbyn bubble burst, but only if we work hard to make it so. Because, you know what? People tire of being offered free unicorns. Of easy promises that don't add up."
http://news.sky.com/story/ruth-david...er-10-11063335
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Despite claiming that he's the PM in waiting after being defeated at the election just a few months ago.
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01-10-2017, 21:34
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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I really wish we could have Ruth Davidson as PM. She is trending on Twitter at the moment.
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Well if she's trending well on Twitter that's the main thing. Tweeting works well for the Donald and it's the way to run a country apparently.
She could never lead the Tory party (and very wisely don't think she wants to). Apart from not being an MP, when the blue rinse old dears and swivel eyed loons find out she's engaged to a woman they'll spontaneously combust.
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01-10-2017, 22:02
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She could never lead the Tory party (and very wisely don't think she wants to). Apart from not being an MP, when the blue rinse old dears and swivel eyed loons find out she's engaged to a woman they'll spontaneously combust.
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Nah. Two things about the Tory party: They're ruthless about winning and don't care much for their members. If they wanted Ruth Davidson as leader and she wanted it they would give her a safe seat and present a fait accompli to their members.
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02-10-2017, 08:47
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
Yesterday Liam Fox informed activists at the Conservative Party Conference that the economy has 'boomed' since the referendum.
What planet is this man on? Nothing gets fixed if you deny/ignore/blatantly lie about what's wrong. Is this what cabinet members are forming policies based on? Blatant lies told to keep the relatively few members and activists they have left happy?
Economic growth in the UK started a downward trend just before the referendum, a factor in that being the mere presence of said referendum. After the referendum that drop accelerated and the UK has in 2 years gone from being the fastest growing economy in the G7 to the slowest.
Maybe Dr Fox has a different definition of the word 'boom' from the rest of us?
This put here as if it's indicative of the 'alternative facts' being fed to people at the Conference some other policy decisions and opinions start making more sense.
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02-10-2017, 19:50
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Wisdom from Graham Brady, MP for Altrincham.
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Graham Brady asked how they can increase Tory membership says they just need to "get people to realise... Labour will do profound damage."
Graham Brady on how the Tories can win over Labour voters: "We need to get primary school teachers to understand the benefits of markets."
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There's a positive vision. I'm not convinced teachers going through a years-long real-terms pay cut, working longer hours, having their budgets cut and support taken away are going to really be open to seeing the benefits of markets, let alone enthusing about them to their pupils.
I note attacking the press being a common theme. Seems to be the in-thing from both right and left at the moment.
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02-10-2017, 19:59
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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Wisdom from Graham Brady, MP for Altrincham.
There's a positive vision. I'm not convinced teachers going through a years-long real-terms pay cut, working longer hours, having their budgets cut and support taken away are going to really be open to seeing the benefits of markets, let alone enthusing about them to their pupils.
I note attacking the press being a common theme. Seems to be the in-thing from both right and left at the moment.
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He's a prat, the biggest turn of the public has at the moment is politicians attacking other parties, we don't want to know what the other side will do or how bad it'll be under then, we want to know what you and your party will do to make people's lives better and we've seen bugger all at this confrence, carry on like that, thinking they can just get in by poo pooing the opposition and the Tories will sleepwalk the country into a Labour government
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02-10-2017, 20:13
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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He's a prat, the biggest turn of the public has at the moment is politicians attacking other parties, we don't want to know what the other side will do or how bad it'll be under then, we want to know what you and your party will do to make people's lives better and we've seen bugger all at this confrence, carry on like that, thinking they can just get in by poo pooing the opposition and the Tories will sleepwalk the country into a Labour government
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Exactly TD as it seems they have learned diddly squat since the general election and the reasons why they failed to get a decent majority and thus since then they have basically carried on in the same vein.
Its no good them continuing the predictable attacks on the opposition as many voters are fed up with those Ad hominem attacks as was seen at the general election as they are the party of government so its up to them to give voters a real reason why they should vote for the Conservatives and thus so far there ain't many in my book.
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04-10-2017, 06:19
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Not acceptable IMO from a man who is supposed to be this country's foreign secretary.
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-john...odies-11066168
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04-10-2017, 12:39
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May has announced organ donation will now be opt-out rather than opt-in and a energy price cap.
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04-10-2017, 12:44
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l am glad organ donation is now opt out and as for a energy cap well lets see as we have heard about this several times before and still nowt has been done yet.
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04-10-2017, 14:14
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Re: Government & Post Election Discussion
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May has announced organ donation will now be opt-out rather than opt-in and a energy price cap.
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that will have repercussions people aren't cattle to be butchered for parts
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