[Update] The News Corp scandal
07-07-2011, 10:26
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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The right and proper thing to do.
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07-07-2011, 10:29
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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Actually it's more serious than that (from the Guardian):
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The Royal British Legion has dropped the News of the World as its campaigning partner, it announced this morning, and is reviewing its advertising budget with parent company News International.
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07-07-2011, 11:54
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
I have no sympathy for "News International".The same way I have no sympathy for all of these people screaming foul over hacking claims. A lot of these people seeking celebrity status ate at the trough. Newspapers will do whatever they can get away with to get a story,this has always been the case.They have been given too much leighway for too long without any checks on their actions.
I would have thought some limit would have been put in place when it was revealed they were using private investigators on a regular basis. It never was because the publiic was loving what was being revealed. If you don't believe that just ask yourself who sells the most papers.= NOTW and The Sun.
News International is what you asked for folks. Look how difficult it is to tame this beast now. Nobody wants to say anything against it because there are too many with something to hide. The big question was asked in the House of Commons yesterday about should they be allowed to take over B Sky B and is contiuing today in the Lord's.Nobody wants to lay it on the line.
News International just goes on as if it's nothing to do with them.They should now be brought to heel.Just don't hold your breath.Don't be fooled by the news today that soldiers families have been hacked. This is to steer opinion.Why would they hack you or a soldiers family.There isn't a news story there.
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07-07-2011, 12:08
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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I wonder who will be next.
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07-07-2011, 12:15
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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Why would they hack you or a soldiers family.There isn't a news story there.
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Fortunately you don't think like a journalist from the gutter press at The Sun and the NOTW!
They will exploit anything or anybody to sell "news"papers even if it means digging the dirt on a dead soldier!
I shall be boycotting all newspapers produced by News International and hope others will do the same, however I doubt Murdock will suffer much as he has politicians worldwide in his pocket who have accepted his extravagant hospitality over the years and that includes Cameron!
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07-07-2011, 12:44
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
What we should do is instead of buying a NotW or family newspaper for a wek and put the money to one the the charities who have pulled out of them, I will.
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07-07-2011, 12:53
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
If anyone thinks it was just News International papers up to this they are kidding themselves. There was this little nugget in a bailout a few months back.
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Back in 1999 a British man says he had some problems with his new mobile phone account.
His phone network found out his answer machine had been accessed by someone else. He was advised to change his phone and number and to set a password to protect his messages. The*phone company told him exactly how it was done*and*how to avoid it. So, being a good citizen, the man went to The Sun.
He thought the newspaper should do a big splash on this huge potential issue. They took down the details, told him how interesting it was and sent him away. Weirdly, he thought, no story ever appeared.
So he took the story to The Mirror. They too seemed interested. And yet, again, no story.
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07-07-2011, 13:19
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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Originally Posted by georgepomone
I have no sympathy for "News International".The same way I have no sympathy for all of these people screaming foul over hacking claims. A lot of these people seeking celebrity status ate at the trough. Newspapers will do whatever they can get away with to get a story,this has always been the case.They have been given too much leighway for too long without any checks on their actions.
I would have thought some limit would have been put in place when it was revealed they were using private investigators on a regular basis. It never was because the publiic was loving what was being revealed. If you don't believe that just ask yourself who sells the most papers.= NOTW and The Sun.
News International is what you asked for folks. Look how difficult it is to tame this beast now. Nobody wants to say anything against it because there are too many with something to hide. The big question was asked in the House of Commons yesterday about should they be allowed to take over B Sky B and is contiuing today in the Lord's.Nobody wants to lay it on the line.
News International just goes on as if it's nothing to do with them.They should now be brought to heel.Just don't hold your breath.Don't be fooled by the news today that soldiers families have been hacked. This is to steer opinion.Why would they hack you or a soldiers family.There isn't a news story there.
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OK... I am a little confused as to what you are actually saying.. You appaear to be saying that while you accept that what NI has done is wrong, we are to blame for their actions, but on the other hand you have no sympathy for those crying foul because those seeking celebrity status "ate at the trough". Yet, you also appear to be saying that we are being manipulated into believing what NOTW did was worse that it actually was.
Let me answer that.
Yes, what News International did was wrong. As such, they should be held accountable. What you are saying is by supporting them, we are somehow to blame for their actions, in much the same way as you may blame a parent whose child steals. Guess what? News International is not a small child being taught wrong by it's parent. It's a huge multinational corporation, staffed by adults who know the difference between right and wrong. So, yes, they should be held accountable, and while the kind of tat they publish sells well, they should have known what they were doing was wrong and stopped it.
As for your statement about these "people eating at the trough". Assuming it is true, did the families of the dead soldiers "eat at the trough"? Did the families of all the victims of the 7/7 bombings or the parents of the murdered kids? Even the Celebrities who did don't deserve that. The way I see it, they do a job. They get paid. Beyond that, we have no right to find out what they do. Let me ask you. If I bought a product from you, does that give me any rights to find out what's going on in your life beyond the sale of that product? Does it give me the right to hack into your voicemail? No, of course, it does not.
Personally, I have never thought one corporation owning so much media is a good thing. It gives them too much power.
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07-07-2011, 13:20
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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If anyone thinks it was just News International papers up to this they are kidding themselves. There was this little nugget in a bailout a few months back.
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It's not. Check the link from The Spectator Matt posted a while back.
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07-07-2011, 13:25
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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What we should do is instead of buying a NotW or family newspaper for a wek and put the money to one the the charities who have pulled out of them, I will.
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I have never bought a NI paper and never will but as you say everyone that has should give the money for a week to a charity.
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07-07-2011, 13:47
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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OK... I am a little confused as to what you are actually saying.. You appaear to be saying that while you accept that what NI has done is wrong, we are to blame for their actions, but on the other hand you have no sympathy for those crying foul because those seeking celebrity status "ate at the trough". Yet, you also appear to be saying that we are being manipulated into believing what NOTW did was worse that it actually was.
Let me answer that.
Yes, what News International did was wrong. As such, they should be held accountable. What you are saying is by supporting them, we are somehow to blame for their actions, in much the same way as you may blame a parent who's child steals. Guess what? News International is not a small child being taught wrong by it's parent. It's a huge multinational corporation, staffed by adults who know the difference between right and wrong. So, yes, they should be held accountable, and while the kind of tat they publish sells well, they should have known what they were doing was wrong and stopped it.
As for your statement about these "people eating at the trough". Assuming it is true, did the families of the dead soldiers "eat at the trough"? Did the families of all the victims of the 7/7 bombings or the parents of the murdered kids? Even the Celebrities who did don't deserve that. The way I see it, they do a job. They get paid. Beyond that, we have no right to find out what they do. Let me ask you. If I bought a product from you, does that give me any rights to find out what's going on in your life beyond the sale of that product? Does it give me the right to hack into your voicemail? No, of course, it does not.
Personally, I have never thought one corporation owning so much media is a good thing. It gives them too much power.
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I agree with what you say Stuart. All I'm trying to say is that News International wouldn't be where they are without the huge support they have had from the public and people with jobs in high places. It's time to cut that support but it just will not happen unless something happens now and I can't see it happening.
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07-07-2011, 13:48
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
I don't know if this has been linked to already but I thought Hugh Grant was great.
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07-07-2011, 14:27
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
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I shall be boycotting all newspapers produced by News International and hope others will do the same, however I doubt Murdock will suffer much as he has politicians worldwide in his pocket who have accepted his extravagant hospitality over the years and that includes Cameron!
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I already did this, in 1989.
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07-07-2011, 14:28
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Re: NotW phone hacking allegations: Milly Dowler, Soham, 7/7, dead soldiers' families
It seems like they are losing a lot of advertising revenue?
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Businesses who have withdrawn advertising from NoW
Company Comment Amount spent on advertising in NoW Jul 2010-June 2011
SPENDING ON ADVERTISING INFORMATION FROM NIELSEN
O2
"We share the concerns of customers and employees about these quite shocking claims"
£1,084,000
Boots
"We have put on hold further advertising with the NoW. An advertisement, which was printed some time ago, however, will appear in this Sunday's Fabulous magazine."
£809,000
Lloyds Banking Group
Pulled its advert for this week as "a tactical decision" and reviewing the longer-term position.
£518,000 (Halifax and Lloyds TSB)
Vauxhall
Suspends advertising in the News of the World. Will reconsider its position pending the outcome of investigations into hacking allegations
£491,700
Sainsbury's
"Due to the rising concerns of our customers we are suspending any advertising in the NOTW until the outcome of the investigation."
£293,000
Npower
"We are suspending current advertising with the News of the World. We will continue to review our options going forward."
£207,000
Ford
The first to pull out, but left the door open to advertising with other News International titles.
£188,000
Co-op
"The Co-operative Group is a consumer-owned business which adheres to strong ethical standards. These allegations have been met with revulsion by the vast majority of members who have contacted us."
£100,000 (supermarkets and financial services)
Thomson and First Choice
"We have no plans to advertise this week."
£20,000
Aldi
Pulling its adverts from the Irish edition
£24,000
Mitsubishi
"We didn't want to have anything to do with a paper that would behave in that way." The firm will give its unspent money to charity ChildLine.
SPENDING ON ADVERTISING INFORMATION FROM NIELSEN
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14059572
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07-07-2011, 14:32
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No Tesco yet then, I wonder why.
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