Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You and "others" don't speak for all leavers, you don't even speak for all leavers on here, we all saw for ourselves how ignorant and mistaken some of the reasons for leaving some members here gave, we also saw rediculous reasons given by voters from both sides in the media, I posted pre vote that whatever the outcome it was a sad day for our democracy and think it more so when I hear someone say we have to respect the democratic outcome, why, when a hell of a lot of people didn't respect their vote enough to get their facts right prior to going into the booth. I'm not bitter about the result and I don't think it'll make a whole lot of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us but I have found the whole thing rather unpleasant and a little bit sad.

it was a sad day for your idea of what a democracy is, i suppose if the vote swung the other way it would be a great day for democracy .

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You and "others" don't speak for all leavers, you don't even speak for all leavers on here, we all saw for ourselves how ignorant and mistaken some of the reasons for leaving some members here gave, we also saw rediculous reasons given by voters from both sides in the media, I posted pre vote that whatever the outcome it was a sad day for our democracy and think it more so when I hear someone say we have to respect the democratic outcome, why, when a hell of a lot of people didn't respect their vote enough to get their facts right prior to going into the booth. I'm not bitter about the result and I don't think it'll make a whole lot of difference to the lives of the vast majority of us but I have found the whole thing rather unpleasant and a little bit sad.

No it was not a sad day, no I and others did not make any mistakes prior to voting leave, my reasons for leaving are totally justified and the right result was reached.

It was a glorious day and yes I believe I speak for most dedicated leavers and yes you and some of your remainer buddies are ridiculously bitter, and actually you are the ignorant ones, ignoring the fact how unbalanced the economics of the EU bloc are and wanting to stay in a corrupted mess.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think Old Boy must be a secret Remainer with arguments such as this most recent one. He's our secret weapon sent by Clegg to undermine the Leave camp.

Strange how you tend to twist things around when you read them, Andrew. Fascinating.

However, my point was that we need a balanced, controlled immigration policy. Not just people from Europe. My understanding is that the Government does not want to exclude all non Europeans. We have agreements with other countries such as India, and these would be compromised if we were to come down hard on them in favour of EU migrants.

My point is, the UK should have control over who comes in and is allowed to stay, not Mr Junker and his cronies, peripateting between Brussells and Strasbourg, opening all the floodgates as they go.

[heero_yuy]

CHINA’s leader told Theresa May last night that Brexit can be a “positive” influence for the world as he gave her his country’s full support for Britain’s EU talks.

President Xi Jinping told the PM that China’s decision to invest billions in the UK economy since last year’s EU vote “shows how much we’re confident in the UK” as even Mrs May’s staff revealed their surprise at Beijing’s optimism towards Brexit.

Both sides hailed the “golden era” between China and the UK – vowing to build a closer partnership betwen the two nations.

“The Chinese were incredibly positive,” a government source said, adding that the day as a whole had been “positive” for post-Brexit trade.

Source

More good Brexit news.

[Osem]

US President Donald Trump has said he expects a "powerful" trade deal with the UK to be completed "very quickly".
Speaking at the G20 summit in Hamburg, he said he would go to London. Asked when, he said: "We'll work that out".
The US president was speaking ahead of talks with UK Prime Minister Theresa May to discuss post-Brexit trade deals.
It was one of a series of one-to-one meetings with world leaders which will also see Mrs May hold trade talks with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
Before their meeting, Mr Trump hailed the "very special relationship" he had developed with Mrs May.
"There is no country that could possibly be closer than our countries," he told reporters.
"We have been working on a trade deal which will be a very, very big deal, a very powerful deal, great for both countries and I think we will have that done very, very quickly."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Even more good news.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40540340

Even more good news.

we'll have to see what 1apocalyps1 counter attacks your good news with .

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Source

More good Brexit news.

Good post, and a statement of the obvious from the Chinese leader.

It's a pity that the remainers seem to want to ignore the positives of leaving the EU and prefer to concentrate on the 'end of the world' scenarios, which are not going to happen.

Opening up trade with the rest of the world will be a good thing for the UK, the Commonwealth countries we abandoned when we joined the Common Market and the rest of the world. It will extend our influence rather than suppress it and bring more wealth to this country. What is more, the billions we pump into the EU will be available to the UK Government to spend or invest as it sees fit.

Hell, we could even spend it on the NHS, if we didn't want to see that money again or know where it went!

[Osem]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Good post, and a statement of the obvious from the Chinese leader.

It's a pity that the remainers seem to want to ignore the positives of leaving the EU and prefer to concentrate on the 'end of the world' scenarios, which are not going to happen.

Opening up trade with the rest of the world will be a good thing for the UK, the Commonwealth countries we abandoned when we joined the Common Market and the rest of the world. It will extend our influence rather than suppress it and bring more wealth to this country. What is more, the billions we pump into the EU will be available to the UK Government to spend or invest as it sees fit.

Hell, we could even spend it on the NHS, if we didn't want to see that money again or know where it went!

I think for some of them it's worse than that - they'd rather see Brexit turn into a disaster than be a success for the UK. It's ideological and nothing anyone can say or do will change their minds. No matter what happens they'll always argue we'd have been better off inside the EU. They'll carry on undermining and delaying the process because they don't won't it to work.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

I think for some of them it's worse than that - they'd rather see Brexit turn into a disaster than be a success for the UK. It's ideological and nothing anyone can say or do will change their minds. No matter what happens they'll always argue we'd have been better off inside the EU. They'll carry on undermining and delaying the process because they don't won't it to work.

Cobblers. It's in no one's interest to see the country go down the tubes. Certainly not for anyone who lives here or has children. It's not ideological; it a difference of opinion. There's still a lot to be decided on what Brexit actually will mean in practice. We need to have a very close relationship with EU if we've got any sense and get away from the xenophobic immigration obsession. The 'we won', 'you lost' football mentality of Brexiters doesn't help the country come together. We're all on the same side, we all lose or win.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Cobblers. It's in no one's interest to see the country go down the tubes. Certainly not for anyone who lives here or has children. It's not ideological; it a difference of opinion. There's still a lot to be decided on what Brexit actually will mean in practice. We need to have a very close relationship with EU if we've got any sense and get away from the xenophobic immigration obsession. The 'we won', 'you lost' football mentality of Brexiters doesn't help the country come together. We're all on the same side, we all lose or win.

no we are not on the same side you and others like you would still opt to stay in the EU by whatever dubious means you could come up with regardless of the referendum result .

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

no we are not on the same side you and others like you would still opt to stay in the EU by whatever dubious means you could come up with regardless of the referendum result .

And that's why Smurf the country is in big trouble. Regardless of Brexit, one half of the country ignoring the other is a recipe for disaster. United we stand, divided we fall.

Your only moaning about being ignored because you wanted to remain if remain had won you wouldn't care about ignoring leavers opinions hell you don't care about ignoring them now imagine if you had got your way.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

And that's why Smurf the country is in big trouble. Regardless of Brexit, one half of the country ignoring the other is a recipe for disaster. United we stand, divided we fall.

Exactly. Posters need to remember that we're a United Kingdom and act accordingly.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Your only moaning about being ignored because you wanted to remain if remain had won you wouldn't care about ignoring leavers opinions hell you don't care about ignoring them now imagine if you had got your way.

Leavers' opinions had been taken into account pre-2016. We didn't join the Eurozone and we had numerous opt-outs and a sizeable rebate.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Your only moaning about being ignored because you wanted to remain if remain had won you wouldn't care about ignoring leavers opinions hell you don't care about ignoring them now imagine if you had got your way.

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[QUOTE=1andrew1;35906697]Exactly. Posters need to remember that we're a United Kingdom and act accordingly.[COLOR="Silver"]

what by selling out to the EU ...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

it was a sad day for your idea of what a democracy is, i suppose if the vote swung the other way it would be a great day for democracy .

Nope I posted pre vote when everyone thought remain would win it was a sad day no matter who won based on the campaigns and that they should all hold their heads in shame.

Originally Posted by Mick

No it was not a sad day, no I and others did not make any mistakes prior to voting leave, my reasons for leaving are totally justified and the right result was reached.

I never said you had made a mistake what I said is you can't speak for everyone because people did, we saw it on here, members saying they voted leave as a protest against the government, that we were leaving the echr and when you saw it in the media it was magnified nationally much worse, I don't see how anyone can complain when people reach conclusions based on things like rational facts just because you disagree with them, I can however see why people complain when I heard a call on the radio from a woman who purported to have worked for the EU and was voting leave as it was undemocratic, it was all going well and sounded reasonable until the presenter mentioned voting in the EU elections and the caller said she didn't know what they were and had never voted in them and that was coming from someone who claimed to have worked for the EU

It was a glorious day and yes I believe I speak for most dedicated leavers and yes you and some of your remainer buddies are ridiculously bitter, and actually you are the ignorant ones, ignoring the fact how unbalanced the economics of the EU bloc are and wanting to stay in a corrupted mess.

Oh yes I'm bitter, when my biggest complaint about leaving is that we didn't do it ten years ago, my posts are still on here, don't remember you having much to say on it back then though. A glorious day for democracy, would it have been a glorious day if remain had won? For me a healthy, active democracy is where people participate and are informed all year round and not where a whole lot of people go into the booth factually ignorant or with heads filled with lies and switch back of the second they've ticked a little box, we carry on like this and eventually someone you don't like will win an election, someone like corbyn, would that be a great day for democracy to.