Post-Brexit Thread

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

They'll get what they want. They'll be offered incentives to leave the UK and move to the passported area.

Maybe. I think though, in the end, the politicians will rather upset those concerned over immigration rather than the middle-classes or bankers who are more likely to be hit by trading away banking. Especially the Tories, if we're being ultra-cynical a angry vote from declining industrial towns hit by immigration is far more likely to harm Labour than the Conservatives.

If there is one thing that seems to hold true across politics is that these people are constantly overlooked by the left and right.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Okay, here ya go.

These are the work of Alex White, @AlexWhite1812, Director of Country Analysis at the Economist Intelligence Unit and his team.

Whoa, stop right there .. is this dude an "expert" by any chance?

[Gavin78]

Who cares about the experts they predict stuff like the weather

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe. I think though, in the end, the politicians will rather upset those concerned over immigration rather than the middle-classes or bankers who are more likely to be hit by trading away banking. Especially the Tories, if we're being ultra-cynical a angry vote from declining industrial towns hit by immigration is far more likely to harm Labour than the Conservatives.

If there is one thing that seems to hold true across politics is that these people are constantly overlooked by the left and right.

It's a no-win situation for sure. This side of 2020 there is genuinely no happy ending and, even after that, there's no doubt our economy and politics will be quite different.

I don't like it but losing financial services will affect pretty much everyone so should be protected at basically any cost, but that relies on a degree of pragmatism that I'm not sure is still there in either public or politicians.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Whoa, stop right there .. is this dude an "expert" by any chance?

Looks that way, so should be ignored. Project Fear at work.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Excellent idea. We should do this not only to EU migrants, but with every immigrant.

It should be less about what help we can give to them and more about what they have to offer that can help the UK.

You therefore agree that any Brit abroad would have the same rules applied to them? Seems fair ..

Originally Posted by Gavin78

Who cares about the experts they predict stuff like the weather

Who cares about experts when they are doctors or engineers or architects or pilots...

Strangely enough, Michael Gove's wife disagrees with you

Wouldn’t it be nice if instead of wingeing and raging about the outcome of a democratic vote which, let’s face it, one side held all the cards and still managed to lose, the clever people of Facebook would turn their thoughts to making this a positive moment for the country by offering to lend advice and expertise.

Oxford English Dictionary of expertise - "Expert skill or knowledge in a particular field"

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You therefore agree that any Brit abroad would have the same rules applied to them? Seems fair ..

Not sure retirees in Spain who'll need to purchase extremely expensive private healthcare as they're no longer covered by Spain's health system will agree.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Not sure retirees in Spain who'll need to purchase extremely expensive private healthcare as they're no longer covered by Spain's health system will agree.

Who says they won't be covered by some kind of healthcare agreement, after all the Spanish living in the UK will still want NHS care as will the Eastern Europeans, Germans, French......But anyway, where is your source/link to the fact retirees in Spain will need "extremely expensive private healthcare"?

I'm sure us British citizens can make sure if the worst comes to the worst that our NHS will cover the cost of UK immigrants in the EU.

The UK is full of loving caring amazing people, shouted down by London loving slaves to the banking sector selfish individuals!

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Originally Posted by Damien

Maybe. I think though, in the end, the politicians will rather upset those concerned over immigration rather than the middle-classes or bankers who are more likely to be hit by trading away banking. Especially the Tories, if we're being ultra-cynical a angry vote from declining industrial towns hit by immigration is far more likely to harm Labour than the Conservatives.

If there is one thing that seems to hold true across politics is that these people are constantly overlooked by the left and right.

I disagree, a UKIP white wash in some areas of the UK puts the fear of God into the Torys and as for Labour , they're gone/forgotten. No Brexit= UKIP Taking over 100 seats in parliament. UKIP will be the official opposition at worst, potentially.... Well let's wait and see...............

How we have fallen when ukip is the answer to anything.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

How we have fallen when ukip is the answer to anything.

Your user title says it all, Sir.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I wonder how this would work:
Keep free movement but remove all benefits to anyone coming here.
If they have/get a job and earn sufficient wages to pay sufficient tax then they get access to the nhs. None of this council house/tax credit/child benefit to send back to Latvia etc malarkey. Come here and earn enough to support yourself because there are no hand outs if you don't.
That would probably sort the wheat from the chaff at a stroke.
Thoughts?

There might be some mileage in this. In fact, but not wishing to steal your thunder, I vaguely recall the Mayor of Calais suggesting our benefits were too attractive. Perhaps if we agree to match the benefits being offered by other EU member states, say Estonia, Latvia or Greece, we wouldn't fall foul of the "rules" either?

And I don't think we should limit it to Europeans.

Well done on coming up with a practical suggestion.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by ianch99

You therefore agree that any Brit abroad would have the same rules applied to them? Seems fair ..

Absolutely, yes, but I don't think it will affect that many Brits.

Eg British pensioners go to Spain to retire, their pension is paid for by us. They normally buy a home in new build English communities and bring money into the country.

Someone coming over from abroad, however, normally needs to take a job and a scarce rented property.

Immigrants can no longer claim Jobseekers Allowance as soon as they come here, but they are still able to claim in work benefits like Housing Benefit, Council Tax Reduction, Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit etc.

In work actually means working over 16 hours a week. This is often abused by people saying that they are self employed for two days a week eg Big Issue sellers, scrap metal collecting etc.

[Jimmy-J]

Brexit won the vote, but I can't see it happening.

[ntluser]

The £ has stabilised and share values are on the rise. The longer we wait to declare our position the more worried those in the EU will be and potentially they will be more amenable to a deal that everybody is happy with.

I think it will be better if we couch our bid in terms that do not apply just to the UK so that we do not appear to EU members to be those greedy Brits trying to make a great deal just for themselves. We need to tap into the dissatisfaction in other EU countries and in proposing our terms need to give support to those other EU countries with similar problems.

The deal with France concerning the Channel Tunnel demonstrates that where a common problem exists a shared solution, co-operation and teamwork is a great way to satisfy everybody's needs.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by jamiefrost

Passporting is not about banks moving headquarters, it's about the inability of UK banks to work within the EU, how would we not notice the loss to GDP?

J

Because it wouldn't happen imediately but over time. There won't be a banking exodus but there won't be a boom either, it'll just stagnate while frankfurt and Dublin get all the new business.

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

I wonder how this would work:
Keep free movement but remove all benefits to anyone coming here.
If they have/get a job and earn sufficient wages to pay sufficient tax then they get access to the nhs. None of this council house/tax credit/child benefit to send back to Latvia etc malarkey. Come here and earn enough to support yourself because there are no hand outs if you don't.
That would probably sort the wheat from the chaff at a stroke.
Thoughts?

Isn't that what this living wage was all about?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Whoa, stop right there .. is this dude an "expert" by any chance?

Better not be, Britain has had enough of experts

https://next.ft.com/content/3be49734...4-abc22d5d108c

We prefer to ignore them and blunder in