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Old 06-10-2017, 15:12   #76
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i heard on the grapevine that remainers are planning a breakaway state within the UK aptly named Little Lick spittle
Right next door to Little England then ..
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The Spanish government's representative in Catalonia has apologised to those injured during police efforts to stop Sunday's independence referendum.
But Enric Millo blamed the Catalan government for holding an illegal vote.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41523250

The only ones to blame for the violence were those who ordered it and meted it out. There was simply no need to beat unarmed, passive people up for trying to vote. The Spanish clearly have all sorts of means by which to 'persuade' the Catalans of the error of their ways without needing to resort to brutality.
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i heard on the grapevine that remainers are planning a breakaway state within the UK aptly named Little Lick spittle
I would remind posters of the guidelines posted in the new Brexit thread.

Guidelines

The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but none of this "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.



These also apply to other threads - carrying on the previous Brexit thread insults will result in infractions.
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Huge rallies in Madrid and Barcelona over Catalonia

Thousands of people are attending rival demonstrations - one in Barcelona and the other in Madrid - amid tensions over Catalonia's independence referendum.

http://news.sky.com/story/huge-ralli...lonia-11070672
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Huge rallies in Madrid and Barcelona over Catalonia

Thousands of people are attending rival demonstrations - one in Barcelona and the other in Madrid - amid tensions over Catalonia's independence referendum.

http://news.sky.com/story/huge-ralli...lonia-11070672
Not sure either side is going to just forget this. Some sort of mutually acceptable deal will have to be done sooner or later.
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Far-right Spanish thugs scream ‘sieg heil’ and perform NAZI SALUTES in praise of the police officers who tried to put down Calatonia’s independence

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Re: Catalonia Independence

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There are however no arguments that the Catalan Parliament was elected in anything but the proper manner. Its suspension by the Spanish Constitutional Court – a body on which 10 out of 12 members are political appointees – is therefore not due to any doubts about the Catalan Parliament’s legitimacy.

No, the Catalan Parliament has been suspended because the Constitutional Court fears it may be about to vote in a way that the Spanish government does not like.
Sums up the legitimacy of it all.
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Sums up the legitimacy of it all.
I think it may sum up more of what you want to read into it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...Court_of_Spain

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This court consists of twelve magistrates (justices) who serve for nine-year terms. Four of these are nominated by the Congress of Deputies, four by the Senate, two by the executive branch of the government, and two by the General Council of the Judiciary;[4] all are formally appointed by the King.[1] The Constitution sets a minimum standard of fifteen years of experience in fields related to jurisprudence, including "magistrates and prosecutors, university professors, public officials and lawyers,"[7] and must not contemporaneously hold a position that may detract from their independence, such as a post in a political party or a representative position
This seems a better setup than, for example, the US Supreme Court?

You, and a number of others, seem to be missing the elephant in the room here and that it what they are doing is against the law. They may not like the law but that is their reality.

Trying to spin Nazi thugs into the debate is weak but then this is the Daily Mail's forte. Imagine if Wales had held an illegal vote and was about to declare independence, would you and the Daily Mail be all supporting this, I think not ..
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Craig Murray is a crackpot.
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Nazi-saluting thugs attack men and women during independence march in Valencia amid fears that the Spanish region will be next to leave if Catalonia announces breakaway tonight



Far right-wing thugs used sticks and batons to assault their victims in Valencia


This is the shocking moment Nazi-saluting thugs attacked campaigners during an independence march in Valencia amid fears the Spanish region will be next to leave if Catalonia announces a breakaway tonight.
Far right-wing extremists used sticks and batons to assault their victims, who included campaigners on a traditional nationalist march to mark the region's national day.


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Nazi-saluting thugs attack men and women during independence march in Valencia amid fears that the Spanish region will be next to leave if Catalonia announces breakaway tonight



Far right-wing thugs used sticks and batons to assault their victims in Valencia


This is the shocking moment Nazi-saluting thugs attacked campaigners during an independence march in Valencia amid fears the Spanish region will be next to leave if Catalonia announces a breakaway tonight.
Far right-wing extremists used sticks and batons to assault their victims, who included campaigners on a traditional nationalist march to mark the region's national day.


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What is your point here? Just pasting links to inflammatory reports from the right wing press does not add much value to the debate.
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What is your point here? Just pasting links to inflammatory reports from the right wing press does not add much value to the debate.
fears that the Spanish region[ Valencia ] will be next to leave if Catalonia announces breakaway tonight

and that there seems to be neo Nazi's popping up everywhere

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fears that the Spanish region[ Valencia ] will be next to leave if Catalonia announces breakaway tonight

and that there seems to be neo Nazi's popping up everywhere

didn't realise i had to seek your permission to post
You don't need my permission to post Pasting in Daily Mail links with no comment is not really posting though is it?

So you think that Valencia is seriously trying to become independent of Spain or are you just copy & pasting the Daily Mail's muck raking ... Why would Spain’s third largest bank move their legal base to Valencia if it too is likely to be become independent?
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You don't need my permission to post Pasting in Daily Mail links with no comment is not really posting though is it?

So you think that Valencia is seriously trying to become independent of Spain or are you just copy & pasting the Daily Mail's muck raking ... Why would Spain’s third largest bank move their legal base to Valencia if it too is likely to be become independent?
why get so upset if it's only "muck raking" you do know you don't have to read it if you find it upsetting that Spain is a bit wobbly and not the utopia that it has sold to the world .
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Re: Catalonia Independence

Looks like they’re going to declare themselves independent within the next couple of hours. For all the sympathy they now have and for all the incompetence of Madrid’s response this seems a bad idea although I guess if they believe Spain will never offer them a democratic means forward then it’s understandable.
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