Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Discussion

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, they are being practical. Where would these additional people go? How would they survive without jobs? If you would allow this as a free for all, where would you put them? Are you going to create our very own tent city?

Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?

Posts moved out of main Russia invasion thread.

There is merit to the discussion on the Humanitarian crisis unfolding in and around Ukraine. So rather than stifle the discussion aspect of it in the main thread. (I really don’t want to read arguments in that main thread). Discuss the humanitarian efforts going on, refugee crisis etc here.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-new...r-into-germany

The loudspeaker announcement is nearly drowned out by the hubbub of passengers spilling out of the train from Warsaw, but it's a message many of them have been longing to hear: "Dear passengers from Ukraine, welcome to Berlin!"

Just over a week after Russia launched an attack on Ukraine, the trickle of war refugees arriving in Germany has swelled into a steady stream.

"The situation has changed dramatically," said Katja Kipping, senator for social affairs in the city state of Berlin.

On Tuesday evening alone, 1,300 refugees arrived in the German capital by train.

Mayor Franziska Giffey expects Berlin, less than 100 kilometres from Ukraine's western neighbour Poland, to take in at least 20,000 Ukrainians in the weeks ahead, and his city is urgently preparing emergency accommodation.

Germany's interior ministry has officially registered more than 5,000 Ukrainian refugees so far. But given the absence of border checks between Poland and Germany the real number is likely higher.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?

And the UK is taking in 200,000 - one little point you failed to mention.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Other countries seem to be managing so far? source: UNHCR via BBC

Poland has taken in 505,582 refugees
Hungary 139,686
Moldova 97,827
Slovakia 72,200
Romania 51,261
Russia 47,800
Belarus 357


'In Poland and other countries bordering Ukraine, refugees can stay in reception centres if they do not have friends or relatives to stay with. They are given food and medical care.

Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians.

Hungary and Romania are offering cash allowances for food and clothing. Children are being given places in local schools.

The Czech Republic will allow refugees to apply for a special type of visa in order to remain.

Poland and Slovakia have asked the EU for help providing for refugees. As a result, Greece and Germany are sending tents, blankets and masks to Slovakia, while France is sending medicine and other medical equipment to Poland.

The EU is preparing to grant Ukrainians who flee the war a blanket right to stay and work throughout the 27 nations for up to three years.

They would also receive social welfare and access to housing, medical treatment and schooling for children'

Are you suggesting we don't have the supporting infrastructure in place to be able to provide similar?

I wouldn't be praising Russia for their intake!

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Mick

Posts moved out of main Russia invasion thread.

There is merit to the discussion on the Humanitarian crisis unfolding in and around Ukraine. So rather than stifle the discussion aspect of it in the main thread. (I really don’t want to read arguments in that main thread). Discuss the humanitarian efforts going on, refugee crisis etc here.

Thanks Mick

[Sephiroth]

I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

I think I agree with all of this

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

Agreed

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

Spot on.

[Blackshep]

But we are an island with many area's already overstretched in term's of social services, education and medical services and whilst in an ideal world we would shelter anyone who needed it the reality is we can't. Humanitarian aid and any other assistance we can give should be given but unless there is a massive investment in national infrastructure coming we are close to our limit on people in the UK and seizing some properties isn't going to change that.

[papa smurf]

So who will offer a room in their home?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Blackshep

But we are an island with many area's already overstretched in term's of social services, education and medical services and whilst in an ideal world we would shelter anyone who needed it the reality is we can't. Humanitarian aid and any other assistance we can give should be given but unless there is a massive investment in national infrastructure coming we are close to our limit on people in the UK and seizing some properties isn't going to change that.

Seizing some properties?

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

So who will offer a room in their home?

The local authority thieves will have the home revalued and twice the council tax will have to be paid.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Seizing some properties?

I presume he means some Russian owned ones.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

I wouldn't be praising Russia for their intake!

He wasnt, its just a list.
For that matter, Belarus was on it as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-60555472

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

So who will offer a room in their home?

Already spoken to SWMBO, if there’s an opportunity to provide shelter we will, we’ve got three spare double rooms.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I support maximum generosity for Ukrainians wanting shelter in the UK, and that includes the possibility of pooling with the EU to keep it even and consorted.

I'm embarrassed by the mixed messages and weasel wording of government statements. After all we've armed the Ukranian men and the least we can do is shelter their women and children.

Spot on….

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

And the UK is taking in 200,000 - one little point you failed to mention.

Are they in the U.K. yet ? These are actual numbers of people already in new countries, whilst we dilly dally

Could you answer the question I posed ?