Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

That wasn't without its problems either and there's still quite a lot of resentment I believe.

Yes you can see trouble coming - well, unless you're a Eurocrat or someone with another agenda. Tensions have been rising all over Europe and this is merely going to fuel the fire. Large numbers of mainly muslim migrants suddenly arriving and requiring all sorts of support. Then there's the question of integration...

[ianch99]

We are currently on holiday in Graz, Austria and there are banners out saying "Refugees welcome". No one we have spoken to has expressed the "Not our problem" attitude prevalent in this country. Our hosts here have recently come back from eastern Austria where they were volunteering in helping the refugees coming into Austria near the border with Hungary. They said "what should we do? Just watch these people and do nothing? Yes there is a need for long term refugee camps nearer where they are fleeing but until then, do we just watch them struggle?"

[Chrysalis]

Thats one of the big issues with immigration, immigrants dont tend to spread out evenly over the country, instead they tend to crowd in certian parts. e.g. in the uk Birmingham, Leicester and London have felt it a lot.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by ianch99

We are currently on holiday in Graz, Austria and there are banners out saying "Refugees welcome". No one we have spoken to has expressed the "Not our problem" attitude prevalent in this country.

Refugees are welcome here as well. I think the polls show that. The trouble is that we're having a hard time telling them from economic migrants.

[Osem]

That may in part be because Austria hasn't seen mass migration on the scale we have over the last decade or more and doesn't yet have all the associated problems of integrating vast numbers of people of vastly different cultures. Sooner or later their welcome will evaporate as they experience more of the problems seen elsewhere across Europe and they become a long term issue which ordinary people realise isn't going away any time soon. In the UK the problems of mass migration aren't distributed equally with certain major towns/cities seeing massive changes and pressures whilst other places remain largely isolated from them. No wonder therefore that some people complain or are more welcoming than others. The argument isn't whether hostility will develop, it's merely a question of how long it takes and the evidence is there to see across the EU.

Let's see how long the welcome banners remain when their public spaces become occupied and despoiled, services become stretched, tensions rise, fights break out amongst rival migrant groups and crime inevitably results as we're now seeing in Germany.

[ianch99]

It is good to know that Osem knows more about Austria than the people that live here Strange though .. I thought I was on his ignore list ...

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by ianch99

It is good to know that Osem knows more about Austria than the people that live here Strange though .. I thought I was on his ignore list ...

Personally, I'm not sure why the government haven't approached asking for input or to manage the immigration policy.

Actually, I think i know why......

[Osem]

High levels of immigration make it "impossible to build a cohesive society", Theresa May is to warn.

The home secretary will tell the Conservative Party conference Britain "does not need" net migration at current levels and that is it "difficult" for key services to cope.

Prime Minister David Cameron said he agreed with her comments.

Net migration into the UK currently stands at a record high, reaching 330,000 in the year to March.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34450887

Ever since Labour well and truly opened the floodgates we've heard tougher talk about controlling immigration. We heard if from Bliar's cronies just before elections and after years suffering at the hands of their social engineering policy. Since then we've heard all again from successive governments but it's all so much hot air isn't it? Frankly I don't see how, as long as we remain within the EU, we can ever hope to control the numbers choosing to come here. It seems ridiculous to me that low/unskilled workers can come here from all over Europe whilst people with real skills from elsewhere around the globe are made to jump through ever more hoops. To me it smacks of an cynical effort (a very poor one at that) to keep the overall numbers as low as possible without too much thought about the quality of the people who're being allowed to come here and what long term benefit they may be to the UK.

Theresa May is going to talk tough but, even if she sincerely means what she says, I have not a shred of faith in her ability to deliver.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34450887

Ever since Labour well and truly opened the floodgates we've heard tougher talk about controlling immigration. We heard if from Bliar's cronies just before elections and after years suffering at the hands of their social engineering policy. Since then we've heard all again from successive governments but it's all so much hot air isn't it? Frankly I don't see how, as long as we remain within the EU, we can ever hope to control the numbers choosing to come here. It seems ridiculous to me that low/unskilled workers can come here from all over Europe whilst people with real skills from elsewhere around the globe are made to jump through ever more hoops. To me it smacks of an cynical effort (a very poor one at that) to keep the overall numbers as low as possible without too much thought about the quality of the people who're being allowed to come here and what long term benefit they may be to the UK.

Theresa May is going to talk tough but, even if she sincerely means what she says, I have not a shred of faith in her ability to deliver.

As per usual you keep swallowing the rhetoric you're being fed, don't think to actually question what you're being told. Sheep


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...lly-wrong.html

[Osem]

The EU is beginning a new operation in the southern Mediterranean to intercept boats smuggling migrants.

Under Operation Sophia, naval vessels will be able to board, search, seize and divert vessels suspected of being used for human smuggling.

Until now, the EU has focused on surveillance and rescue operations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34461503

Too little too late methinks. The criminal gangs behind this issue move and change tactics much faster than the EU behemoth can react.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by ianch99

We are currently on holiday in Graz, Austria and there are banners out saying "Refugees welcome". No one we have spoken to has expressed the "Not our problem" attitude prevalent in this country. Our hosts here have recently come back from eastern Austria where they were volunteering in helping the refugees coming into Austria near the border with Hungary. They said "what should we do? Just watch these people and do nothing? Yes there is a need for long term refugee camps nearer where they are fleeing but until then, do we just watch them struggle?"

Hope you enjoy, I consider Austria my 2nd home and live just an hour away near Graz. Also Styrian pumpkinseed oil is a DOP product and used more than olive oil; the locals swear by it

Originally Posted by Osem

That may in part be because Austria hasn't seen mass migration on the scale we have over the last decade or more and doesn't yet have all the associated problems of integrating vast numbers of people of vastly different cultures. Sooner or later their welcome will evaporate as they experience more of the problems seen elsewhere across Europe and they become a long term issue which ordinary people realise isn't going away any time soon. In the UK the problems of mass migration aren't distributed equally with certain major towns/cities seeing massive changes and pressures whilst other places remain largely isolated from them. No wonder therefore that some people complain or are more welcoming than others. The argument isn't whether hostility will develop, it's merely a question of how long it takes and the evidence is there to see across the EU.

Let's see how long the welcome banners remain when their public spaces become occupied and despoiled, services become stretched, tensions rise, fights break out amongst rival migrant groups and crime inevitably results as we're now seeing in Germany.

Whilst the FPO have had this core support for a number of years (Austria equivalent of a stronger UKIP) on the whole Austria always wants to do what is best and his a very much foreward thinking country. To say it has little experience is wrong asAustria was one of the main countries where refugees fled the Yugoslavia conflict in the 90's which was on their borders. for a population of just shy of 8 1/2 million, they are coping rather well

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

Hope you enjoy, I consider Austria my 2nd home and live just an hour away near Graz. Also Styrian pumpkinseed oil is a DOP product and used more than olive oil; the locals swear by it



Whilst the FPO have had this core support for a number of years (Austria equivalent of a stronger UKIP) on the whole Austria always wants to do what is best and his a very much foreward thinking country. To say it has little experience is wrong asAustria was one of the main countries where refugees fled the Yugoslavia conflict in the 90's which was on their borders. for a population of just shy of 8 1/2 million, they are coping rather well

I'm not criticising the way they're coping merely pointing out that the strain they're under is intolerable which is why at times they've chosen to close their borders more than once and will no doubt have to do so again. Compared to the 1990's what's happening is going to prove a tidal wave and that is what will ultimately cause opinions to change. No country, however well organised or generous, can absorb an unlimited amount of migrants or genuine refugees for that matter. The numbers coupled with the speed at which they're arriving is the major problem.

As for being welcoming, it's only anecdotal of course but we have great personal experience of the way in which former E. Europeans were and still are often treated in Austria, even since their entry into the EU so let's not run away with the notion that everyone in Austria is a saint, open to unlimited immigration and the integration of people from all around the globe. That's as true of the UK as it is Austria. Anyway time will tell how long the people remain accepting - we've seen what's been happening elsewhere and I don't see Austria being any different in the end, there's always a tipping point.

[Jimmy-J]

The Invasion of Europe

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J

The Invasion of Europe

BOOM! soon.

one day we were security conscious. the next we just open the gates hoping that some of them might be terrorists and want to, and exceed in killing us all.

which they probably will.

the big question is. like what he said in the video.
who's going to restore law and order when it all kicks off?

this is how we do things here.
balls to that mate. we're taking over and we hear that you have no police. and whatever police you do have are too soft. so what ya gonna do about it?

[Osem]

A senior German intelligence official has told Newsnight that Germany's decision to take in asylum seekers is fuelling a rise in the far right.

Hundreds of thousands of migrants have arrived into the country in recent months.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34471716