Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
18-02-2012, 16:03
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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Minister for Employment Chris Grayling said: "Our work experience scheme is voluntary and thanks to companies like Tesco and many others has provided a route for literally thousands of young people to find their first job.
"The idea that providing work experience for unemployed young people is some kind of forced labour is utterly and completely absurd."
minister in denial -it must be true
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18-02-2012, 16:10
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
I applaud the protestors
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"The Tory government is slashing jobs and then punishing the jobless. And to add insult to injury, they are forcing people to work for free to boost profits for big business."
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18-02-2012, 16:11
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
They are having us believe that it's voluntary. then you have this bit about losing your benefits if you drop out after the first week.
so what happened to this tough stance of making people work for free or having their benefits stopped?
it all depends who's asking, and who they're telling the different story to.
if you are against people on the dole then 'they' will tell you that it's compulsory for these people to work for free.
if you sympathise with the people on the dole then 'they' will tell you this crap about it's all voluntary.
if you are on the dole then 'they' will tell you they are sending you to work at Tescos for free, and that it's compulsory. you have no choice. if you don't attend or drop out at anytime, and/or/if we hear that you are being deliberately uncooperative at the company then your money will be stopped.
Let's see whether Tesco's assess the damage limitation and also pull out of this scam of exploiting the unemployed in order to boost profits.
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18-02-2012, 16:17
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
Even the far right wing Daily Mail thinks it's wrong:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-stopped.html
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18-02-2012, 19:12
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
Matalan have withdrawn from the scheme as well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17086526
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18-02-2012, 19:23
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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Oh well ,if the private firms drop out then maybe the unemployed can help out at the job centers
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18-02-2012, 19:29
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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Originally Posted by mertle
hardly suprising to be honest shoppers and unions put huge pressure on these companies.
See tesco's latest to put now adverts around very stupid in my mind you would think they would keep it under the carpet to speak not advertise the fact they use slave labour.
Those on this forum support wonder how many will be willing on monday to have there wages removed work for JSA equivalent plus expenses. Fat zero.
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AFAIK, they have to advertise to use the scheme.
as for Tescos feeling the pressure, over the last few years Tescos have repeatedly made record profits. I don't really think they are feeling the pressure.
Unlike the companies they have bankrupted by moving into markets such as CDs, books, electronics etc.
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18-02-2012, 19:57
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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Oh well ,if the private firms drop out then maybe the unemployed can help out at the job centers
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Yeh, they can be in charge of the sanction and bonus's department.
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18-02-2012, 22:40
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
Another job where they can take advantage of the unemployed and not have to pay a working wage instead.
if this is allowed to continue, then there will be no need to employ anyone. and if it escalates they can make redundancies.
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Job No: EAN/29944
SOC Code: 7111
Wage JSA + TRAVEL EXPENSES
Hours 25 HOURS PER WEEK TBA
Location FISHPONDS ROAD BS16
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held
http://jobcentreplus.jobhits.co.uk/R...T-id-EAN-29944
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18-02-2012, 22:45
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
until today i had no idea this was going on .
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18-02-2012, 22:51
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
It was all supposed to be between the government and the claimants. nobody else were meant to know what is going on.
not forgetting the participating companies who want to save wage money.
Councils are and will be using them. Royal Mail too.
even if you think it's a good thing that they are being made to work. it can't be a good thing if it means it may be your job they'll be replacing soon.
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18-02-2012, 22:57
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
where i work [a certain cable company] we are up to our armpits in apprentices -these are real jobs for young people with good training and a descent wage attached.
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18-02-2012, 23:11
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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Another job where they can take advantage of the unemployed and not have to pay a working wage instead.
if this is allowed to continue, then there will be no need to employ anyone. and if it escalates they can make redundancies.
Broken Britain. with a lot of help from Dave.
Superdrug.
Job No: EAN/29944
SOC Code: 7111
Wage JSA + TRAVEL EXPENSES
Hours 25 HOURS PER WEEK TBA
Location FISHPONDS ROAD BS16
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held
http://jobcentreplus.jobhits.co.uk/R...T-id-EAN-29944
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what i want to know is how can they advertise the job as permanent if the claiment is supposed to be looking for a job ?.
If the claiment stays at the company on a permanent basis as the advert suggests then surely that is a way for the claimant to stay on jsa claiming full benefits for just 25hrs work .Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to get off benefits and take a full time job most likely at a low wage
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18-02-2012, 23:20
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
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where i work [a certain cable company] we are up to our armpits in apprentices -these are real jobs for young people with good training and a descent wage attached.
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And that's how it should be. but the way this is going to work is it will mean not having to pay workers a wage at all for doing a job that they'd have to pay someone to do.
eventually meaning that there will be no reason to employ anyone. as long as the government allows it to happen.
we'll be having companies not even on the official list advertising soon.
if you want experience as a dishwasher to put on your CV. here's one.
Job No: NCS/59011
SOC Code: 0
Wage BENEFITS + TRAVELLING EXPENSES
Hours 25-30 HURS OVER 5 DAYS BETWEEN 10AM TO 8PM
Location NEWCASTLE NE1
Duration Permanent
Date posted 17 February 2012
Pension details No details held
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what i want to know is how can they advertise the job as permanent if the claiment is supposed to be looking for a job ?.
If the claiment stays at the company on a permanent basis as the advert suggests then surely that is a way for the claimant to stay on jsa claiming full benefits for just 25hrs work .Doesn't seem like much of an incentive to get off benefits and take a full time job most likely at a low wage
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Eh?
Minimum wage is:
£6.08 - the main rate for workers aged 21 and over
= £152
£4.98 - the 18-20 rate
= £124
why would you sooner work 25hrs a week for £50 - £67 instead of the above amounts, just so you don't have to take the same job for the above amounts?
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18-02-2012, 23:22
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Re: Sainsbury's pull out of 'Work for your benefits scheme'
It seems to me that this is turning into a spectacular coalition own goal. Honestly, if employers are pulling out of 'make claimants work for free' you know you're on to a loser. (Unless, you're called Tesco of course).
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