Virgin Media Closing Albert Dock

Siiiighhhhh!

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Masque

Strange the way every post reads that way, shows how little you remember of your prior postings.

The fact is people are being made redundant and no one in their right mind would carry on the way you have about why we should be moving to Swansea, if the company wanted us that badly they would relocate locally.

In reality those jobs are not for us and we realise that as fact.

I repeat, nobody has ever said that moving to Swansea was compulsory.

Please see my statement further on.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Just for information, those noises you can hear are the goalposts being moved.....

Nonsense, but please do see my statement below.

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Originally Posted by Masque

Not a single person is being offered alternative employment in Swansea that is fact!! no ifs or buts, as we are being made REDUNDANT!!!!!

As for any jobs in Swansea on offer anyone interested has to apply for them and go through the application process the same as any other applicant because it is classed as another employer, the same would also apply to moving to Wythenshawe or any other office within the UK.

I know it is hard especially with you continually posting inaccurate and untrue statements but try to remove your head from your rear extremity.

I do realise that this is an upsetting time for you, but please do try your best to refrain from making puerile outbursts, as this detracts from any point that you wish to make.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

I think we had all better calm down before we say something we later regret because of someone's big frack hammer.

Thank you for being professional and urging people to remain calm at this unsettling time.

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Originally Posted by Masque

That is calm just ensuring he can actually see it outside of his blinkers, and Sirius has him bang to rights above.

Not calm enough, you need to be strong and direct your energies in a more positive fashion at a time like this.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Thank you for being professional and urging people to remain calm at this unsettling time.

You'd be wise to take note of that too.

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Not calm enough, you need to be strong and direct your energies in a more positive fashion at a time like this.

You might be aware of this, I don't know. But comments like that along with your tone in this thread come across as VERY patronising.

[Digital Fanatic]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I repeat, nobody has ever said that moving to Swansea was compulsory.

Please see my statement further on.

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Nonsense, but please do see my statement below.

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I do realise that this is an upsetting time for you, but please do try your best to refrain from making puerile outbursts, as this detracts from any point that you wish to make.

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Thank you for being professional and urging people to remain calm at this unsettling time.

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Not calm enough, you need to be strong and direct your energies in a more positive fashion at a time like this.

Richard, I hope you aren't deliberatley trying to wind "at risk" staff up, just for your own amusement. It's certainley starting to look that way

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by joglynne

I am sure that nearly everyone reading this thread is well aware of the position you and your colleagues at Albert Dock find yourselves in and I think that, in the main, we all realise that the very few of you will be in a position to apply for a job at Swansea let alone be offered a position if you did so.

I do think Richard has quoted a lot of the benefit regulations accurately but the problem with his posts is that he has failed to grasp that something that can be quoted as a fact is only of use if it is also relevant. I would be interested to hear what relevant experience Richard has regarding his having had to cope with redundancy and what advise he could give to the people who are actually the subject of this thread as apposed to the 'on your bike, no benefits for you!' attitude he has shown so far.

I posted the benefit regulations to correct some irregularities of an earlier post and because, unfortunately, they may be pertinent to some VM staff in the future.

My advice would be to keep calm, don't act like a wronged child as one poster appears to be doing, accept all the help available from VM. The DWP are also available for help, through their network of Jobcentre+ offices. Their advice is free and confidential.

I do think that it is reasonable for people to move to where work is available in some circumstances. As well as the cost to the taxpayer, there is also the social/human cost. I have been to communities where the majority of people are unemployed. They are like war torn countries, blighted by crime, drugs and social disorder.

People often focus on the cost of the unemployed, or the fact that working people resent them for their perceived idleness, but it is a much larger picture than that.

I am particularly concerned about young people leaving education and going straight onto JSA. They get used to the lifestyle and many drift into crime and drugs or waste their lives. Their is a lot of truth to the saying "the devil finds work for idle hands".

Their are some families where the grandparents, children and grandchildren have never worked. Once a family lose the work ethic, it is very difficult to get it back.

I am of the opinion that, because of the neglect shown in this area during previous recessions, that this has contributed to what we know view as the "chav" or "underclass" culture and all the problems that that entails.

Urgent measures are being considered to provide subsidies to employers to get our young people back into work for this very reason.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

My advice would be to keep calm, don't act like a wronged child as one poster appears to be doing, accept all the help available from VM. The DWP are also available for help, through their network of Jobcentre+ offices. Their advice is free and confidential.

And my advice would be to bare in mind that you are coming across as very patronising and condensing towards the VM staff involved.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Masque

It is just that he posts the regulations completely out of context with regards to people being made redundant as most of the rubbish he has posted has no bearing on people in a redundancy situation as the law expects the company to help with looking for a new position,which in reality is just lipservice, but no one has been offered a position in Swansea which he has completely failed to take in and any such opportunity would only come about after the person had been made redundant.

If the company had turned around and said everyone has to move to Swansea or you will be out of a job with no redundancy package, then the would be a major issue as that would be unreasonable and lead to legal action against the company.

Please see my statement below.

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Originally Posted by Masque

I know what he is doing as he did a similar action Digitalspy last year and then tried to report said member to the company, I am not posting anything that is sensitive information and I have zero intention of going to Swansea unless I am ever down that way on holiday but even then it would be the Gower Peninsula rather than Swansea, I already have a position lined up anyway.

Nonsense.
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Statement Re: VM staff and eligibility to claim Jobseekers Allowance.

I was led to believe by post 66 that some members of staff would be "job matched". Unfortunately, many believe that I was provided with incorrect information.

I have spoken to contacts this morning at both VM and the DWP in order to clarify the situation.

The last thing staff need at this time is uncertainty or scaremongering due to misinformation.

I can now confirm that benefit sanctions will NOT be imposed on any member of the Albert Dock staff who face redundancy and fail to make attempts to secure a job in Swansea.

Additionally, there will be no penalties for those taking voluntary or involuntary redundancy.

All of the other usual regulations will need to be satisfied in order for benefit to be paid.

I trust that this now clarifies the position.

End of statement.

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic

Richard, I hope you aren't deliberatley trying to wind "at risk" staff up, just for your own amusement. It's certainley starting to look that way

Of course not, what would be the point of that

Originally Posted by Russ

You'd be wise to take note of that too.

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You might be aware of this, I don't know. But comments like that along with your tone in this thread come across as VERY patronising.

Originally Posted by Russ

And my advice would be to bare in mind that you are coming across as very patronising and condensing towards the VM staff involved.

I am, and remain, very calm, it's the only way to deal with life changing events like this for the people involved.

Redundancy is not a pleasant time for anybody, including the management who have to break the sad news. I myself have had to be the bearer of bad news to valued members of our own staff who we have had to let go and yes, there were tears involved.

Let us all now move forward and appreciate the fact that there are many, many people worse off in the world and count our blessings

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

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Statement Re: VM staff and eligibility to claim Jobseekers Allowance.

I was led to believe by post 66 that some members of staff would be "job matched". Unfortunately, many believe that I was provided with incorrect information.

I have spoken to contacts this morning at both VM and the DWP in order to clarify the situation.

The last thing staff need at this time is uncertainty or scaremongering due to misinformation.

I can now confirm that benefit sanctions will NOT be imposed on any member of the Albert Dock staff who face redundancy and fail to make attempts to secure a job in Swansea.

Additionally, there will be no penalties for those taking voluntary or involuntary redundancy.

All of the other usual regulations will need to be satisfied in order for benefit to be paid.

I trust that this now clarifies the position.

End of statement.

We are quite aware of that fact and no one is being forced to go to Swansea against their will as it would be quite illegal, they are closing the centre for business reasons and they are helping staff look for positions locally and possibly with Adecco on another contract.

Anyone wanting to go to Swansea has to go through the recruitment process as the is no direct transfer of jobs to Swansea.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I can now confirm that benefit sanctions will NOT be imposed on any member of the Albert Dock staff who face redundancy and fail to make attempts to secure a job in Swansea.
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I trust that this now clarifies the position.

The sanctimony is jaw-dropping.

So, to put it another way, you (finally) accept what several of us have been trying to tell you all along.

Well done.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

The sanctimony is jaw-dropping.

So, to put it another way, you (finally) accept what several of us have been trying to tell you all along.

Well done.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Please see my statement below.

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Nonsense.
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Statement Re: VM staff and eligibility to claim Jobseekers Allowance.

I was led to believe by post 66 that some members of staff would be "job matched". Unfortunately, many believe that I was provided with incorrect information.you appear to be confusing "Richard Coulter" with "many"

I have spoken to contacts this morning at both VM and the DWP in order to clarify the situation.on a Sunday morning? ooooooh, impressive (unless your contacts are a JobCentre clerk and a VM CSR, both of whom are your relatives.....)

The last thing staff need at this time is uncertainty or scaremongering due to misinformation.you may wish to stop doing it, then

I can now confirm that benefit sanctions will NOT be imposed on any member of the Albert Dock staff who face redundancy and fail to make attempts to secure a job in Swansea.imagine our gratitude for your confirmation of what we had been saying all along

Additionally, there will be no penalties for those taking voluntary or involuntary redundancy.Well, duh!

All of the other usual regulations will need to be satisfied in order for benefit to be paid. and today's prize winner for stating the bleeding obvious is............

I trust that this now clarifies the position.You were the only one who appeared to need the position clarified......

End of statement.

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Of course not, what would be the point of that







I am, and remain, very calm, it's the only way to deal with life changing events like this for the people involved.

Redundancy is not a pleasant time for anybody, including the management who have to break the sad news. I myself have had to be the bearer of bad news to valued members of our own staff who we have had to let go and yes, there were tears involved.

Let us all now move forward and appreciate the fact that there are many, many people worse off in the world and count our blessings

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Hugh

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Excellent

[RichardCoulter]

The confusion arose because Digital Fanatic posted erroneous information.

The position has now been officially clarified for the benefit of those who may need to make a claim for Jobseekers Allowance.

Moving forward, I forgot to mention yesterday that I was also informed that the Government had asked VM to have another think about this.

Whilst I don't wish to get anyones hopes up, this is surely good news.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The confusion arose because Digital Fanatic posted erroneous information.

And the confusion continued because RichardCoulter perpetuated it.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The position has now been officially clarified for the benefit of those who may need to make a claim for Jobseekers Allowance.

No it hasn't. You are not the DSS. Your postings on this forum do not constitute official clarification of anything.

All that has happened is that you have stopped arguing to the contrary. The rest of us already knew what you had to hear from your "contacts" ... whoever they in fact are.