[Update] The News Corp scandal

[watzizname]

He'd probably have them all lynched, but I nominate Arthurgray..

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by denphone

We called it a Firestorm but now its seems like the nuclear button has been pressed in this crisis.

Is that the option Vince Cable was discussing?

[denphone]

And these are the headlines this morning and the question is what is going to happen next.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ju...-david-cameron

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...g-scandal.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...g-scandal.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-Murdoch.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...r-2315405.html

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

Next up to the guillotine, Cameron.

Want to place a bet on that, because i dont


I can see Cameron being dragged screaming right into the middle of this whether he wants it or not.

[denphone]

Whats the odds of James Murdoch being arrested today conveniently just a day before tomorrows hearing.

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Jameseh

Next up to the guillotine, Cameron.

Who knows? But this interesting snippet can be be found in a Wiki on Rupert Murdock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

David Cameron

In August 2008 British Conservative leader and future Prime Minister David Cameron accepted free flights to hold private talks and attend private parties with Murdoch on his yacht, the Rosehearty.[57] Cameron has declared in the Commons register of interests he accepted a private plane provided by Murdoch's son-in-law, public relations guru Matthew Freud; Cameron has not revealed his talks with Murdoch. The gift of travel in Freud's Gulfstream IV private jet was valued at around £30,000. Other guests attending the "social events" included the then EU trade commissioner Lord Mandelson, the Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and co-chairman of NBC Universal Ben Silverman. The Conservatives have not disclosed what was discussed.[58]

In July 2011 it emerged that Cameron met key executives of Murdoch's News Corporation 26 times during the 14 months that Cameron had served as Prime Minister.[59] It was also reported that Murdoch had given Cameron a personal guarantee that there would be no risk attached to hiring the ex-editor of the News of the World Andy Coulson as the Conservative Party's communication director in 2007.[60] This was in spite of Coulson having resigned as editor over phone hacking by a reporter. Cameron chose to take Murdoch's advice, despite warnings from Nick Clegg, Lord Ashdown and The Guardian.[61] Coulson resigned his post in 2011 and was later arrested and questioned on allegations of further criminal activity at The News of the World.

That's nothing new ... Much was made of it in the media at the time.

I do think Cameron's position is looking increasingly compromised though.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...the-press.html

Long before the phone-hacking scandal broke wide open, U.S. law-enforcement officials say, they worried their British counterparts were too cozy with the press. Philip Shenon reports.

You wonder just how deep this corruption, and selling details to the media is corruption, goes in the police force?

[mertle]

Originally Posted by Damien

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...the-press.html



You wonder just how deep this corruption, and selling details to the media is corruption, goes in the police force?

More damaging did other police forces in the world hold similar views interpol etc.

How much impact these views crippled investigations as they was deemed untrustworthy with sensitive information due fear of corruption.

I agree you do wonder how deep and far if the corruption actually just present in scotland yard alone or further spread throughout uk. If it that widespread can we trust an investigation to be impartual not bury it.

Infact can we trust polititians when we know many are in his pocket fear this more rooted than when the mafia bought politians/police years back in US/Italy.

I said further in these post what role has murdock been in deciding our governments policies from thatcher, blair, brown and now cameron.

Should there be investigation setup to look into for all these former and 1 current Prime Minister activities.

I cant believe Murdocks knew nothing of the hacking I can believe critical information or policy making was not done in these secret talks either that helped murdock to even more power.

I think the police issue despite serious is side show to the real damage which will rock the very foundations of this countries political power.

The cynic in me is brooks been arrested to keep her gob shut before she squeals and rats up her close allies. Can we trust the new investigation is just patsy to keep the baying public happy will just scratch the surface get couple big hitters then get wound up if it gets too close to unravalling the truth.

[dave6x]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's nothing new ... Much was made of it in the media at the time.

That is true, however it will be viewed in a rather different context now!

The Cameron/Coulson thing isn't a big issue for me. He is no longer in government and while it was a poor decision by Cameron to hire him in the first place that's not really too bad. It's not as if he hired him with criminal intent or will full knowledge of how involved he is now alleged to have been. He isn't the first nor will he be the last to make a poor choice in hiring someone.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Damien

The Cameron/Coulson thing isn't a big issue for me. He is no longer in government and while it was a poor decision by Cameron to hire him in the first place that's not really too bad. It's not as if he hired him with criminal intent or will full knowledge of how involved he is now alleged to have been. He isn't the first nor will he be the last to make a poor choice in hiring someone.

I don't think anything is definite yet. With new allegations and revelations seemingly emerging everyday, I wouldn't be surprised if something new will come to light. However, as it currently stands it is alleged that Cameron was ordered by Murdoch to employ Coulson, if that is true, then what else did Murdoch order Cameron to do and why did Cameron obey?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

That's nothing new ... Much was made of it in the media at the time.

I do think Cameron's position is looking increasingly compromised though.

l agree that his position as Prime Minister has to be questioned because of his poor judgemement especially under Andy Coulson.

Originally Posted by denphone

l agree that his position as Prime Minister has to be questioned because of his poor judgemement especially under Andy Coulson.

Coulson is a red herring. He worked for the News of the Screws a long time ago and left Cameron's employ long before the current scandal blew up. We have all made bad decisions from time to time. Not everything is a critical issue, no matter how often the leader of the Opposition might claim it is.

The far more worrying issue is Cameron's long term, and continuing friendship with that nasty piece of work Rebekah Brooks, and by extension the Murdochs themselves. Still worse is the prospect that the Commissioner of the Met had concerns about sharing operational information with the Prime Minister because of the PM's social connections.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Chris

Coulson is a red herring. He worked for the News of the Screws a long time ago and left Cameron's employ long before the current scandal blew up. We have all made bad decisions from time to time. Not everything is a critical issue, no matter how often the leader of the Opposition might claim it is.

The far more worrying issue is Cameron's long term, and continuing friendship with that nasty piece of work Rebekah Brooks, and by extension the Murdochs themselves. Still worse is the prospect that the Commissioner of the Met had concerns about sharing operational information with the Prime Minister because of the PM's social connections.

No its been my clear intent not be bring party politics into it because Labour can't be crowing because of their close alliances before with certain people but yes l still think there is a lot more to come out yet and more heads will yet roll l suspect and Cameron's not out of the woods by any chalk yet and it seems he still wants to be close to them socially as you have said and in my mind that is extremely unwise in the present climate and in the future climate.