Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !

[passingbat]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Common sense says that we want free movement and rights[

I may have misunderstood you; apologies if so, but free movement is wrong in any shape or form. Every nation should have controlled immigration. That helps a nation plan regarding job skills requirements and social resources. It also maintains each nations culture and unique identity.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Selling out your country to foreign powers. Giving foreign powers the right to enforce their laws, tax our people but spend the money elsewhere, their idea of justice etc. All this is treachery of the worst kind. IMHO.

Spot on

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

The interesting fact is the EU is not working for us.

We're leaving the EU and the debate has moved on. Some want a return to WTO rules; this speech explains the drawbacks if this occurs.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We're leaving the EU and the debate has moved on. Some want a return to WTO rules; this speech explains the drawbacks if this occurs.

A mutually beneficial negotiated settlement will be reached imho.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Kursk

A mutually beneficial negotiated settlement will be reached imho.

I hope so too.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

We're leaving the EU and the debate has moved on. Some want a return to WTO rules; this speech explains the drawbacks if this occurs.

There will be no drawbacks that I see, it's more wild spreading fear and speculation.

It would be a massive drawback remaining in the failing project (EU).

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mick

There will be no drawbacks that I see, it's more wild spreading fear and speculation.

It would be a massive drawback remaining in the failing project (EU).

Again, I'm a little unsure as to why you wish to re-fight the "leaving EU battle" when that was settled back in June.

The article was about the downsides of leaving the EU and relying on WTO rules. Not about leaving or remaining in the EU.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Again, I'm a little unsure as to why you wish to re-fight the "leaving EU battle" when that was settled back in June.

The article was about the downsides of leaving the EU and relying on WTO rules. Not about leaving or remaining in the EU.

Not entering a 'leaving EU' debate, agree that has been done to death.

I am just saying the article you have linked to, is just speculation, fear spreading.

It's not working (with me anyway).

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Bah, Germans. Bad losers.

Unfortunately it's us that will be the losers. The bill for leaving will be £50bn, and that's just for starters.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...6-12?r=DE&IR=T

Never mind we've loads of money spare and can always hit the poor, vulnerable and disabled again. Boris et al will be ok with their private healthcare etc. The already gigantic divisions in this country are going to massively increase.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Unfortunately it's us that will be the losers. The bill for leaving will be £50bn, and that's just for starters.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...6-12?r=DE&IR=T

Never mind we've loads of money spare and can always hit the poor, vulnerable and disabled again. Boris et al will be ok with their private healthcare etc. The already gigantic divisions in this country are going to massively increase.

That isn't a bill for leaving the EU and it is extremely disingenuous to portray it as such.

That figure represents Michael Barnier's assessment of our financial liabilities, due to commitments we have already made. No honourable person would argue we shouldn't pay what we promised we would pay. HMG might, however, argue over the precise amount, if the details of the commitment are obscure. Either way, those financial commitments would continue indefinitely if we had remained in the EU, but will come to a definite end now we are leaving.

[Mr K]

Whatever the figure it's going to cost big time and effect us all (bar the very rich of course). Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud Cuckoo land. Why else has every living PM, including the current one, campaigned for Remain?

Personally, I think our Prime Ministers get too close to the subject, with all the sumitry that goes on. Modern EU heads of government are almost friends and colleagues. It is hardly surprising that they should all form the view that they are better off sticking together. Add to that the fact that it will undoubtedly be very tricky to unpick the web of treaties we have become entangled in and it is not hard to see why even a eurosceptic prime minister would decide it is best left alone - simply a fight not worth picking.

My principal reason for voting leave, however, was precisely because untangling ourselves has become so difficult and in not many more years it might have become truly impossible. All member states of the EU have de facto surrendered a degree of their sovereignty. That, to me, is not acceptable.

Anyway, the point is now moot. We're leaving. Art.50 will be invoked not more than 28 days from now.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Whatever the figure it's going to cost big time and effect us all (bar the very rich of course). Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud Cuckoo land. Why else has every living PM, including the current one, campaigned for Remain?

I think the UK will argue that it is owed a share of the EC real estate and this will make a good dent in the £50bn.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think the UK will argue that it is owed a share of the EC real estate and this will make a good dent in the £50bn.

Indeed I think with the net amount we've paid in over the years it can be argued that the EU actually owes US money.

Originally Posted by Mr K

Whatever the figure it's going to cost big time and effect us all (bar the very rich of course). Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud Cuckoo land. Why else has every living PM, including the current one, campaigned for Remain?

It is you that's living in cloud cuckoo land.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Why else has every living PM, including the current one, campaigned for Remain?

Because they are a bunch of traitors who have bought into the EU plan.