Post-Brexit Thread - Page 193

1andrew1 · 01-12-2016, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

If we had a better idea of what it looked like then we would have a clearer idea of what to do. Asking for what it looks like isn't an unreasonable request.

There's a great article in the Financial Times that explains why the Government is taking this approach. Google "Who the UK really is negotiating with over Brexit" to read it free of charge.

It includes the statement "No, her true Brexit opponents are the UK’s media and politicians and, by extension, the public. Mrs May and her government are in an intense negotiation to obtain approval from those to whom they are, in theory, accountable. This is the settlement which matters most. The actual exit terms with the EU are of secondary importance."
https://www.ft.com/content/36e5b0e9-...9-dd2babcf2d80

papa smurf · 01-12-2016, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Osem

Really and how long is that going to last do you think compared to the value of Gold? Yeah I'd really rather have a vault full of Euros than a vault full of gold bullion...

i would rather have a vault full of beef bouillon than euro's

01-12-2016, 18:56

I doubt boris has any real belief in anything to do with brexit given he only got involved to further his agenda and nothing whatsoever to do with what was best for the UK. Too much pandering to remain will make the negotiations a total waste of time and hamstring us too much to get anything half decent.

01-12-2016, 20:09

If we are going to have to accept freedom of movement and paying money to the EU for the privilege of trading with them why the hell did we just have a referendum to get away from all that? Enough of all this crazy talk a more ludicrous scenario i have yet to hear

1andrew1 · 01-12-2016, 20:11

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Originally Posted by martyh

Enough of all this crazy talk a more ludicrous scenario i have yet to hear

If you wait until March 2021 you may hear a more ludicrous one.

Kursk · 01-12-2016, 20:14

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Love the trolling

Its not trolling, its advice

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You worry-wart remoaners ought to just quietly carry on working 9 to 5 and pay your taxes because that's what you do best and is what you're needed for. Governance and leadership should be left to people who can handle it: that's everyone with the foresight and confidence to vote Leave.

**Damien** · 01-12-2016, 20:19

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Originally Posted by martyh

If we are going to have to accept freedom of movement and paying money to the EU for the privilege of trading with them why the hell did we just have a referendum to get away from all that? Enough of all this crazy talk a more ludicrous scenario i have yet to hear

I suspect paying them for access is one of the better outcomes if it is in lieu of something else. Money is simpler and is likely to cause a fuss for the Government. This doesn't mean we'll have freedom of movement.

01-12-2016, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Damien

I suspect paying them for access is one of the better outcomes if it is in lieu of something else. Money is simpler and is likely to cause a fuss for the Government. This doesn't mean we'll have freedom of movement.

What's the point of a single market that countries can buy into ? it defeats the whole purpose of the single market imo

1andrew1 · 01-12-2016, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Damien

I suspect paying them for access is one of the better outcomes if it is in lieu of something else. Money is simpler and is likely to cause a fuss for the Government. This doesn't mean we'll have freedom of movement.

We could have a better negotiating hand if the vote in Italy is "no" and the banking institutions there suffer. Another good reason why May didn't start negotiations to leave straight away.

**Damien** · 01-12-2016, 20:35

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Originally Posted by martyh

What's the point of a single market that countries can buy into ? it defeats the whole purpose of the single market imo

I imagine it's access to rather than member of. In other words we get better trade terms than we would normally get. I don't know really, I don't think they do, it's just something we could do to help get the best deal possible.

Kursk · 01-12-2016, 20:38

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Another good reason why May didn't start negotiations to leave straight away.

You don't think she might have an idea or two about how to handle things do you?

01-12-2016, 20:38

We shouldn't pay for access to the single market and if push comes to shove we walk away entirely, the french and the germans already have teams going to financial institutions in the city of london to try and get them to move operations to the continent. We're not allowed to have independent trade deals till we've left but they can come over on a poaching trip anytime they want yeah there's that well known EU fairness in operation. Yes i know 48% voted to remain but more voted to leave and a lot voted leave to get out of the whole damn thing not bits of it and if we carry on the way we are going with every detail having to be revealed and every strategy known we should bin the whole lot and just give it up and stay in the utopia till it falls apart which isn't going to be that long. I wish i had the cash to emigrate because this country is a complete mess.

01-12-2016, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Damien

I imagine it's access to rather than member of. In other words we get better trade terms than we would normally get. I don't know really, I don't think they do, it's just something we could do to help get the best deal possible.

It would work fine for us ,best of both worlds sort of until the rest of Europe decide they want the best of both worlds .I certainly don't think Brussels would entertain such an idea as it attacks the core principles of the single market and the EU .Either we stay 100% in the EU as we are now or we 100% leave ,there can be no half measures

**Damien** · 01-12-2016, 20:57

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We shouldn't pay for access to the single market and if push comes to shove we walk away entirely, the french and the germans already have teams going to financial institutions in the city of london to try and get them to move operations to the continent.

We should pay if we think it's in our economic interest to do so. We need to be pragmatic and calculating here, walking away to prove a point or some misplaced notion of pride would be silly. We might not have to pay, it may not be worth it but if we think we should and it would be a net gain then go ahead.

If it involves privileged deals with the single market then all the better to keep the banks too.

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Originally Posted by martyh

Either we stay 100% in the EU as we are now or we 100% leave ,there can be no half measures

We'll be out of the EU but there are many other agreements we can have with Europe. Europe as a bloc is our single biggest trading partner and is right on our doorstep, we are tied to them no matter what. So we need to work out what the relationship will be and maybe paying a fee for access to single market as part of a tailored arrangement will define that relationship post-Brexit.

Brexit is happening but what comes next is wide open and we don't know what that will be. There will be downsides and compromises though, same as if we had voted to Remain.

Kursk · 01-12-2016, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Damien

We should pay if we think it's in our economic interest to do so. We need to be pragmatic and calculating here, walking away to prove a point or some misplaced notion of pride would be silly. We might not have to pay, it may not be worth it but if we think we should and it would be a net gain then go ahead.

If it involves privileged deals with the single market then all the better to keep the banks too.

I think you may be confusing amelioration and appeasement. We have a much stronger hand than you think. Brexit is only the beginning. Might be worth remembering too that America's new president has taken a cue from the forward-thinking brexit vote.