Post-Brexit Thread

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a registration wall, like some newspapers a limited number of articles are free.
Canada's a population of 36m and a long way away so possibly not a major EU export market.

It's a paywall!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

It's a paywall!

It's a bit of an unusual model. You can access three articles a day if you access them via Google. I wasn't aware it was such a complicated set-up or would have clarified this aspect.
http://digiday.com/publishers/financ...subscriptions/

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It's a bit of an unusual model. You can access three articles a day if you access them via Google. I wasn't aware it was such a complicated set-up or would have clarified this aspect.
http://digiday.com/publishers/financ...subscriptions/

Nevertheless, via any link you or anyone posts on this or any other forum then it's paywalled.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Nevertheless, via any link you or anyone posts on this or any other forum then it's paywalled.

Clicking on the link does not take non-subscribers to the article but unlike 100% paywalled content like The Times there is a way to read them as the FT allows you to read three articles daily, but you have to access them via Google.
As I explained, I wasn't aware it was now such a complicated set-up or would have clarified how to read the article...which is to cut and paste the link into Google.
I'm sorry about any inconvenience this has caused but hopefully this has provided a good opportunity to show how non-subscribers can read FT articles.

[denphone]

Inflation could soar to 4% next year amid impact of Brexit says the National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR).

The CBI predicts that the fallout will start to take full effect next year.

And it also said a return to inflation was inevitable with prices expected to turn higher in the first quarter of 2017

http://news.sky.com/story/cbi-slashe...rexit-10641203

Brexit is so complex it could overwhelm politicians, warn senior academics.

“Brexit has the potential to test the UK’s constitutional settlement, legal framework, political process and bureaucratic capacities to their limits – and possibly beyond,” Menon said.

Prof Anand Menon also said: “An irritating aspect of the current debate is the tendency of Brexiters to accuse those who warn of difficulties of ‘talking Britain down’. It’s a good line but a pathetic argument. Since when was rational debate a bad thing? Forewarned, surely, is forearmed, and this report will help identify potential stumbling blocks ahead.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hanging-europe

Perhaps you would like to re-submit your post Mr K, without the cheap insulting / provocative remarks this time !

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Mick

Perhaps you would like to re-submit your post Mr K, without the cheap insulting / provocative remarks this time !

Ok Michael here goes, assuming alternative views are allowed...

http://news.sky.com/story/cbi-slashe...rexit-10641203

Going well isn't it ? Inflation up to 4%, economy stumbling. The reason Brexiters don't like Carney is because he reminds them how 'foolish' they've been.

better?

Originally Posted by Mr K

Ok Michael here goes, assuming alternative views are allowed...

http://news.sky.com/story/cbi-slashe...rexit-10641203

Going well isn't it ? Inflation up to 4%, economy stumbling. The reason Brexiters don't like Carney is because he reminds them how 'foolish' they've been.

better?

I don't think your conclusions are justified by an article making predictions about the future. Not when predictions about the immediate aftermath of the vote have so far proven to be very wide of the mark.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Chris

I don't think your conclusions are justified by an article making predictions about the future. Not when predictions about the immediate aftermath of the vote have so far proven to be very wide of the mark.

Indeed. Dyed-in-the-wool remoaners will sieze upon any possible bad news to justify the predictions of project fear. They were wrong then and they're wrong now.

Stop talking down your country.

Originally Posted by Chris

I don't think your conclusions are justified by an article making predictions about the future. Not when predictions about the immediate aftermath of the vote have so far proven to be very wide of the mark.

Agree Chris. Fed up of these petty folk, who have real issues accepting the democratic vote and are still to this day, spreading doom and gloom any where and everywhere but not just this, adding their prejudice, where it is not warranted or justified.

Originally Posted by Mick

Agree Chris. Fed up of these petty folk, who have real issues accepting the democratic vote and are still to this day, spreading doom and gloom any where and everywhere but not just this, adding their prejudice, where it is not warranted or justified.

Accepting a democratic vote means you accept it happened and the result is valid. I don't think anyone on here is contesting it. It doesn't mean you're no longer allowed to have an opinion or to think it was a mistake.

Would supporters of Brexit have shut up about the flaws in the EU had Remain won? Thrown themselves into the European Project wholeheartedly? Of course not nor should they have. Democracy allows dissenting views and the idea Brexit would put an end to this argument is mistaken.

Originally Posted by Damien

Accepting a democratic vote means you accept it happened and the result is valid. I don't think anyone on here is contesting it. It doesn't mean you're no longer allowed to have an opinion or to think it was a mistake.

Would supporters of Brexit have shut up about the flaws in the EU had Remain won? Thrown themselves into the European Project wholeheartedly? Of course not nor should they have. Democracy allows dissenting views and the idea Brexit would put an end to this argument is mistaken.

It all depends on your definition of "accepting a democratic vote". To accept a mandate to leave the EU, if it means anything, is to become engaged in the process of making the best of (what you perceive to be) a bad situation. Obviously we're not all in the government, we're not all going to be negotiating with the EU or Frau Merkel, but we can surely be engaged in the debate about what our future should look like, and how to make it as good as it can be.

Restricting your commentary to the latest speculation about how badly wrong everything is about to go, is not acceptance, it is denial.

Originally Posted by Chris

It all depends on your definition of "accepting a democratic vote". To accept a mandate to leave the EU, if it means anything, is to become engaged in the process of making the best of (what you perceive to be) a bad situation.

I think we need to leave the EU, However there is still considerable scope for debate as to what that would entail. How much do we compromise in exchange for 'access to the single market' and so on. I do not like the way the Government is claiming a mandate for whatever they want to implement on the back of a Brexit vote. The 48% should be permitted input in that whilst accepting we do need to leave the EU itself and probably put controls on EU migration.

Personally I am impacted by the fall in Sterling. My own incentive is not to hope it crashes so I can go 'I told you so' but for that to stop.

The problem with that idea Damien is that any of the 48% that could take part in the brexit process are completely committed to us remaining in the EU and that's the only option as far as their concerned. Including them will create far more problems then it might solve and they would do everything possible to subvert the referendum.

[Mr K]

There was a 72% turnout at the referendum, meaning those that voted in favour only represented 37% of the electorate. That ignores those that aren't registered to vote, mostly the young who this will affect most. If you take the UK population as a whole only 27% voted to leave. The mandate is far from convincing.

The problem for Brexiters is they are only now just waking up the economic results of their decision. However they'd have to admit they'd been duped, which no one wants to do. It isn't totally their fault, we've become so cynical about politicians/dodgy dossiers that no one believes the figures they spout at elections/referendums. However this time some of them were right.