06-09-2019, 13:18
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
I don't really have a problem with a sitting MP resigning from their party and remaining MP as our system elects the person not the party (even if that's not the way people vote it is the system). But they should then remain an Independent until another election not move to an opposing party.
I guess the "opposing party" wouldn't want someone unless they bought a seat with them.
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What is wrong with an MP moving to an opposing party if the MP determines that this would better enable them to pursue the policies on which they were elected? As you correctly state, the electorate votes for the MP, not the party.
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18-09-2019, 21:18
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Seems Labour student body isn’t left wing enough for momentum.
http://news.sky.com/story/move-to-re...rence-11813261
Bolsheviks only, need apply.
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18-09-2019, 21:25
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by Pierre
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It would appear so.
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Labour Students, which is generally seen as having taken a more centrist line since Mr Corbyn became leader, rejected claims it had not paid its affiliation fees on time.
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18-09-2019, 21:38
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Looks like a good old fashioned purge ...
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19-09-2019, 06:36
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Westminster voting intention:
CON: 32% (-)
LDEM: 23% (+4)
LAB: 21% (-2)
BREX: 14% (-)
GRN: 4% (-3)
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This can't the right! Twitter has been telling us all just how badly Jo Swinson is doing and how Jeremy 'Jesus' Corbyn is showing her up.
The real question is why Labour aren't stepping aside to avoid splitting the Lib Dem vote.
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20-09-2019, 21:46
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
BREAKING: Sources believe NEC will vote to oust Deputy Leader, Tom Watson in morning, plus move will be backed by members and enough votes on conference floor to approve the move tomorrow afternoon ... move has come completely out of the blue for Watson’s team on eve of Labour Election campaign conference.
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20-09-2019, 21:48
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The Dark Satanic Mills
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by Mick
BREAKING: Sources believe NEC will vote to oust Deputy Leader, Tom Watson in morning, plus move will be backed by members and enough votes on conference floor to approve the move tomorrow afternoon ... move has come completely out of the blue for Watson’s team on eve of Labour Election campaign conference.
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The revolution will be televised, don’t upset the polit bureau.
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20-09-2019, 21:54
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Some more details
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...m-watsons-post
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Jon Lansman, founder of the pro-Corbyn campaign group Momentum, tabled a last-minute motion at the party’s ruling national executive committee (NEC) on Friday night, calling for Watson’s job to be scrapped.
A Momentum source said: “No one person is more important than beating Boris Johnson, ending austerity and tackling the climate emergency. We just can’t afford to go into an election with a deputy leader set on wrecking Labour’s chances.
“Labour members overwhelmingly want a deputy leadership election, but our outdated rulebook won’t let it happen. You need 20% of Labour MPs to trigger an election, and they just won’t let the members have a fair and open election.”
The chair of the NEC ruled Lansman’s motion out of order, but he then sought to have that decision overturned. He won the subsequent vote 17-10; but that fell just short of the two-thirds majority necessary to challenge the chair’s authority.
However, the Guardian understands NEC members agreed to return to the issue at Saturday’s meeting.
If the policy is agreed, it would be recommended to Labour members as a change to party rules, which would then have to be approved by conference. Neither Watson nor Corbyn were present at the meeting.
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20-09-2019, 23:50
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
Wot, Labour MPs standing in the way of a fair and open election? Whodathunkit ...
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21-09-2019, 10:13
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by Chris
Wot, Labour MPs standing in the way of a fair and open election? Whodathunkit ...
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Especially when it is the founder of Momentum who is complaining!
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21-09-2019, 10:40
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
So if someone disagrees with your policy or policies within a political party the new political in thing is to get rid of them.
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21-09-2019, 10:55
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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21-09-2019, 11:00
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by papa smurf
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Yes l just saw that on the Sky News app papa but my sentiments still apply not just to the Labour party but all political parties.
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21-09-2019, 11:28
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by denphone
Yes l just saw that on the Sky News app papa but my sentiments still apply not just to the Labour party but all political parties.
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Indeed, BoJo and Jezza are not too disimilar here.
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21-09-2019, 11:30
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Indeed, BoJo and Jezza are not too disimilar here.
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I don't think jezza knew anything about ousting Watson, it was the momentum mob.
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