Should Ched Evans be allowed back into football

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Who?
my pedo is a pedo. not the rapist.
AFAIK.

Thanks for clarifying

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Several of the conditions are standard and pretty much the same for everyone released including not travelling abroad...........

http://www.offendersfamilieshelpline...ce-conditions/

.........without first getting permission ,that's the important bit .It is not easy i accept but it is allowed especially for work .It is also possible to re-settle on a permanent basis as long as the address is approved

http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgeba...lling-licence/

[denphone]

Ched Evans 'doesn't know what rape is',

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-30696663

Originally Posted by Gary L

Not other peoples children. your children.
Because he has served his sentence now. it's all in the past.
because you'd be happy for a convicted rapist to be around your children.




And you won't give a straight answer to that one either.

No Gary i would not let a peodo look after children ,mine or anyone elses because that would most likely mean a breach of the sex offenders order and mean a criminal offence has been committed .....there is no such order preventing sex offenders playing football

So it was a stupid example ...again

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

No Gary i would not let a peodo look after children ,mine or anyone elses because that would most likely mean a breach of the sex offenders order and mean a criminal offence has been committed .....there is no such order preventing sex offenders playing football

What if the police promised you that you wouldn't be prosecuted.
would you be happy for the pedo to look after your children?
are you in two minds simply because there's a chance you might get into trouble?

Originally Posted by Gary L

What if the police promised you that you wouldn't be prosecuted.
would you be happy for the pedo to look after your children?
are you in two minds simply because there's a chance you might get into trouble?

What if you grew up and stopped trying to wind people up

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

What if you grew up and stopped trying to wind people up

I'm winding myself up. it's hard work trying to get a simple Yes or No out of you.
you just skirt around the simple Yes or No.

Originally Posted by Top banana

Anything where he wouldn't be idolised by youngsters.

What does that have to do with anything ,he is already 'idolised' by kids from his past career and you yourself have already posted that you don't object to him resuming his career when his licence finishes and presumably being 'idolised' once again based on your rather bizarre view that he is only a convicted rapist whilst on licence .He is always going to be a convicted rapist unless the conviction is overturned

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm winding myself up. it's hard work trying to get a simple Yes or No out of you.
you just skirt around the simple Yes or No.

Then try asking sensible questions

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm winding myself up. it's hard work trying to get a simple Yes or No out of you.
you just skirt around the simple Yes or No.

that's what happens to you when you watch a lot of politics on tv you catch politicianitis

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by martyh

.........without first getting permission ,that's the important bit .It is not easy i accept but it is allowed especially for work .It is also possible to re-settle on a permanent basis as long as the address is approved

http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgeba...lling-licence/

The important line in both links is very rare, you might as well say its possible for him to become the next man on the moon (subject to probation approval first of course)

Originally Posted by martyh

What does that have to do with anything ,he is already 'idolised' by kids from his past career and you yourself have already posted that you don't object to him resuming his career when his licence finishes and presumably being 'idolised' once again based on your rather bizarre view that he is only a convicted rapist whilst on licence .He is always going to be a convicted rapist unless the conviction is overturned

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Then try asking sensible questions

I have not ever said I would be ok with him returning to football when his licence finisishes. I said he should be able to return if his conviction is overturned.

Do you really thinks he is still idolised by kids from his past career, when they now know he is a rapist?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by martyh

Then try asking sensible questions

I'll leave it. I'll just assume yes.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

that's what happens to you when you watch a lot of politics on tv you catch politicianitis

I can't even say the word

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The important line in both links is very rare, you might as well say its possible for him to become the next man on the moon (subject to probation approval first of course)

Nevertheless it is possible and people do, do it .Immaterial anyway because it doesn't look like he is going abroad ,at least not yet

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Originally Posted by Top banana

I have not ever said I would be ok with him returning to football when his licence finisishes. I said he should be able to return if his conviction is overturned.

Do you really thinks he is still idolised by kids from his past career, when they now know he is a rapist?

apologies mis read the post.

in my view when he has served his time he can pursue any career he wants and as it happens the law agrees with me ,at this time there are no restrictions on his parole .

do you honestly think that young kids care or even watch the news ,there will be exceptions obviously but the majority i suspect couldn't care less unless adults get involved and explain to them

Originally Posted by martyh

Nevertheless it is possible and people do, do it .Immaterial anyway because it doesn't look like he is going abroad ,at least not yet

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apologies mis read the post.

in my view when he has served his time he can pursue any career he wants and as it happens the law agrees with me ,at this time there are no restrictions on his parole .

Every one has an opinion that's fine. In my mind, if I was convicted of rape i am pretty sure my employer would not welcome me back. When I applied for other jobs and was asked if I had any convictions and said, yes I served five years for rape, i am pretty sure I wouldn't get that job.

Why should it be different for him?

Originally Posted by Top banana

Every one has an opinion that's fine. In my mind, if I was convicted of rape i am pretty sure my employer would not welcome me back. When I applied for other jobs and was asked if I had any convictions and said, yes I served five years for rape, i am pretty sure I wouldn't get that job.

Why should it be different for him?

There are already many limitations on Evans' work prospects as prescribed in law ,he will be on the sex offenders register for life and as such will be subject to "Regulated Activity" which basically means he can't work at hospitals ,schools or anywhere there will be vulnerable people .He's sentenced to more than 4 yrs in prison so his conviction will never be spent so he must always by law declare his conviction ,it will be upto any employer if they hire him or not .What you seem to be in favour of is imposing extra limitations on him or any criminal for that matter on top of the legally prescribed restrictions already in place after they are released and that is a very slippery slope in my opinion.
I myself employ an ex drug dealer he was sentanced to 9 yrs served 4.5 and i have never regretted it ,without me he would most likely have re-offended or simply be sitting on the dole for the rest of his life either way costing the tax payer fortunes instead of being a net contributor