06-08-2008, 13:55
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Hi, Slight news update -
"UK to Respond to EU Soon Regarding Targeted Ad System"
Jeremy Kirk, IDG News Service.
From here -
http://www.pcworld.com/article/14947...ml?tk=rss_news
Dave.
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06-08-2008, 13:58
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#13367
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by philj
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Yes, but the link to the Cable Forums might be a little more specific. Right now they aren't just sent to the CableForum front page and left wondering what to do next.
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06-08-2008, 14:00
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#13368
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by philj
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Don't forget TalkTalk. Just because they are going for an opt-in model does not mean that their customers don't need to be aware of what is happening.
TT have not yet worked out how to opt-in the websites.
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06-08-2008, 14:05
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
phormwatch , madslug
Thanks will alter the page
Phil
done it
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06-08-2008, 14:09
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#13370
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by davethejag
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BBC has picked it up too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7542810.stm
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The UK government has until the end of August to respond to a letter from the European Union about a controversial system which monitors web traffic.
EU commissioner Viviane Reding has asked the UK government to clarify whether the Phorm system is in breach of European data laws.
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06-08-2008, 14:45
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
the plan they shown shows those not in still go through the system and they need to check the status of in or out so intercepting a none in user to see if they in or out with out the consent and then if out they send a invite out to you if you got no cookies one big loop for those who do not store cookies or even except them, the web will be broken and no surfing but the interception still happens, is that right with users who say NO?
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06-08-2008, 14:57
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
@ Mark 777.long time no see ,but we see you are very active, as long as people read the flyers our case will build momentum good work !
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06-08-2008, 15:05
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Wildie
the plan they shown shows those not in still go through the system and they need to check the status of in or out so intercepting a none in user to see if they in or out with out the consent and then if out they send a invite out to you if you got no cookies one big loop for those who do not store cookies or even except them, the web will be broken and no surfing but the interception still happens, is that right with users who say NO?
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They have been very vague about this so it is difficult to say. On the basis of the probably now changed plans published so far, then yes - web browsing breaks if you respond to a webwise invitation by opting-OUT, and THEN block the cookies - your browsing is at that point broken.
If you block cookies before receiving an invitation I think you will keep receiving the invitation ad nauseam until you respond to it.
If you don't block cookies then receive the invitation, and then opt-OUT then you go through the DPI kit as part of the trial, but SOME of your data is not passed to Phorm, and they do not build a profile on you and allocate a UID and advertising channel for you. (Notice - I did not say your traffic wasn't mirrored or copied or profiled!)
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06-08-2008, 16:00
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by madslug
Interesting reading - helps to explain why pop-ups started to disappear.
http://news.cnet.com/Pop-up%20purvey...j=news.1024.20
I know that it is a fine line when one uses semantics but what is the difference between showing a pop-up for the competition when visiting a site and waiting for the visitor to view the next site before offering the advertisement? In both cases the content of a site has been used to present ads for the competition to visitors at the earliest opportunity.
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Just in case anyone still doesn't know: Claria/Gator is now NebuAd. Gator is to NebuAd as 121media is to Phorm. Spyware..its in the genes!
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06-08-2008, 16:42
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by R Jones
Obviously we need an Olympian theme.
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Chariots of Phorm
Sorry
Phil
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06-08-2008, 16:54
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Baroness Miller has been asking some very good questions (spotted by felixcatuk over on Badphorm) House of Lords unanswered Questions for Written Answer
or here for a list of just Baroness Millers questions.
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06-08-2008, 16:54
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/
Whoah - I don't know what happened... maybe it's the news of the EU letter, but about 200 people signed up in one go in the past two or three days.
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06-08-2008, 17:10
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by phormwatch
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ispphorm/
Whoah - I don't know what happened... maybe it's the news of the EU letter, but about 200 people signed up in one go in the past two or three days.
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Could it be that BT Business Customers were given some real facts instead of BT Spin?
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...post13328.html
The BT Forum Moderators have just locked another thread!
A real Ghetto, especially when it is BT Retail Customers who are mostly affected!
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06-08-2008, 17:14
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by lardycake
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She's good at asking the right questions isn't she?!
What a star!
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06-08-2008, 17:27
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#13380
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
US Phormalike NebuAd have dumped their PR firm and some employees
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/06/nebuad_changes/
If only our politicians had a spine.
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