100M : The Pirate Bay is blocked

[Blackened]

Great post, and way to bring this thread back to life. I've a feeling it was about to be read it's last rites.

Have to say though, I know there really are genuine users/distributors of purely legitimate material. I've downloaded and seeded Linux distro's for years, but to suggest TPB is in any way trying to be anything but what it really is, is funny. It's very name suggests what it was intended to be and no amount of 'just a minute' pointy-fingeredness is going to fool anyone. IF that's all they were, there'd be no problem. The point is, that's the furthest thing from what they are - the legitimate torrents are part of minority listings. Carl's at one extreme of the opinion, others at the other end - but the fact remains, really. To be fair to Carl, he did say ’some' people so wasn't suggesting everyone that uses the site is using it illegally. What would be more accurate however is 'most' people, and there's the rub.

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:edit: to address the TV stuff, that's what I use torrents and nntp for. But private trackers, never used TPB myself. I pay the license to watch TV shows but I missed it. I download it, watch and delete it. No victim there.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Russ

I use Pirate Bay to download the latest patches for Football Manager 2012 as well as the Real Time Editor. Why? Because they download fastest from there.

Explain to me again what it is I 'steal' from there?

Fair enough. I knew I should have qualified my statement

However, if it didn't exist you could still get them from the official website I assume; which is probably where most people get them from.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Fair enough. I knew I should have qualified my statement

However, if it didn't exist you could still get them from the official website I assume; which is probably where most people get them from.

The official website usually directs people to torrent sites as it eases their own server loads. From reading their forum it seems the majority of users get the updates from torrent sites.

This is the problem. Those who salivate at being so "anti-pirate" often fail to stop and realise that things aren't always as black-and-white as they'd like to think.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by toonlight

Not to say your wrong Carl but PTB is here for the purpose of giving people the right of view programmes/TV series/other material that the greedy copyright idiots/governments what to charge a huge sums for to line there own pocket & the share holders pockets without (company chief/s ex etc) taking any money away from themselves but getting the public to pay for them.

Huh? Really not with you. You think these TV shows/films/etc. just get made for nothing and then sold for profit?

No-one has a right to anything we're talking about here.

From another thread on another forum, apparently (as an example) the recent finale of "Game Of Thrones" cost something like $24m. You really think people should just be able to download it for nothing?

It's all about money

Of course it is. You want a film you have to buy it

[hjf288]

I've had times when it's faster to start a game download on steam, download it from torrent - copy it to the steam directory and let steam validate the files and replace what isn't legitimate.

Was getting a whopping 1.2MB/sec downloading Call Of Duty 4 on a Gbit line - Managed to get it done via torrents a hell of a lot quicker.

Steam just had to replace the exe with a legit one and it was done..

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Russ

Those who salivate at being so "anti-pirate" often fail to stop and realise that things aren't always as black-and-white as they'd like to think.

I know that, and I do get the arguments, on both sides

[toonlight]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Fair enough. I knew I should have qualified my statement

However, if it didn't exist you could still get them from the official website I assume; which is probably where most people get them from.

Well there the que, carl your paying to use the software (company) not to own it as it once was or should be Carl there what they don't tell you. Apple does just this Carl with O/S + all there software - it's all linked to a central account, that get screwed up or banned you lose the access to the software; O/S; etc you have paid for in the first place, did you know this carl ? many apple users that have been hacked or banned for not fault of their own have found this out.

Many new produce lines are going to this set up now-days eg; BF3 Cod etc + wouldn't be surprised that the new windows 8 is going to be to same either.

When you use PTB you get a full working copy not a link to piece of software or access to it, for it later to be not working after you paid out + the customer service doesn't exist in the first place for some... that the pure money vampire greed model for you, which you you'd like to be in carl ?
#darkside - having a full copy no problems
#currently legal - just having access + then cut off or problems no long after, to face poor or no comeback from the company you bought it off in the first place.

I know which I'd like to be on.... on the pirate side where I get little problems, which makes life much easier in the long term.

peace out~ toonlight

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Originally Posted by carlwaring

Huh? Really not with you. You think these TV shows/films/etc. just get made for nothing and then sold for profit?

Well cost for anything media wise are over the top, can be made for lesser money & better content in the first place.. first point.... second do you kow how much a US show get for a ep of a currently running series? millions on top of millions per series in total. That more than enough to go around, too much for the chief ex pocket lining.
Then again you barking up the wrong tree carl...... film re-releases/releases are over priced from the start eg; DVD/Blueray etc These are copies from the main reel, which costs them pennies in the pound but charge a whooping fee just own a copy under licence, yes you got it "under licence" read a back of a dvd or some of the paper info that come with any DVD carl..... you don't own it your getting a copy under a contract which limit your "copy" uses - private but commercial you have to pay a fee to the royalty board to show it or use it. Thats not a good funding structure at all.... a poor one at best !

Originally Posted by carlwaring

No-one has a right to anything we're talking about here.

Well no, your right there, but only there as once the per-say owner over steeps it's mark with rip-off prices or charges just for a copy or new add-on..... then we as group of person can say no we won't pay your over top price, then open it out for the rest to use it, for free to recoup the money given to the greedy owner in the first place, it's tough justice to the money vipers out there to wake up or not...what the case may be.

As for "Game Of Thrones" + "$24m" it's how over blow anything these days, yes It may cosy money but there other ways just like PTB (funding model) put to the media industry that would account for any thing to do with any new release or project in the works funding wise carl....

[Chrysalis]

Its like android in a sense check this page. Sickening treatment of consumers.

http://theunderstatement.com/post/11...ory-of-support

android phones shown here have a very poor history of having latest OS many models including the most expensive in history are released with old software and sometimes lag multi generations behind, consumers have resorted to sharing the ROM's between each other doing custom versions to update their own phones instead of doing what the phone vendors want them to do which is buy a new phone to get the latest software, torrent is one of the distribution methods of the software. As it stands the majority of it is legal practice.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by toonlight

Well there the que, carl your paying to use the software (company) not to own it as it once was or should be Carl there what they don't tell you.

Yes, I do know that. Hence you why you buy a 'licence' to use it. "as it once was"? Nope. Always been this way, I think.

Apple does just this Carl with O/S + all there software - it's all linked to a central account, that get screwed up or banned you lose the access to the software; O/S; etc you have paid for in the first place, did you know this carl ? many apple users that have been hacked or banned for not fault of their own have found this out.

No but then I have never used any Apple soft/hardware.

Many new produce lines are going to this set up now-days eg; BF3 Cod etc + wouldn't be surprised that the new windows 8 is going to be to same either.

I have bought a few games now that require internet access for registration/play and not yet had a problem with any of them.

When you use PTB you get a full working copy not a link to piece of software or access to it

Wrong. TPB only hosts links. Or so they say. Are they lying?

And so what anyway? When I buy some software it's a fully-working copy.

And why have you change the argument to only computer software now? What about films and TV shows, etc?

Well cost for anything media wise are over the top, can be made for lesser money & better content in the first place..

That's possible, of course. Everyone could earn less money. But then so could some footballers so it's hardly particularly relevant.

second do you kow how much a US show get for a ep of a currently running series? millions on top of millions per series in total. That more than enough to go around, too much for the chief ex pocket lining.

Erm... did you not seem my comments re "Game Of Thrones" costing $24m above? Stuff costs money. This is not a revelation

Then again you barking up the wrong tree carl...... film re-releases/releases are over priced from the start eg; DVD/Blueray etc.

That may be your opinion but it does not make it fact.

These are copies from the main reel, which costs them pennies in the pound

Huh? Yes, the copies may cost "pennies in the pound" but it's "the main reel" that may have cost, say, $24m

It's like in R&D for medical research. Say they develop a new pill to help with.. I don't know... erm.... Cancer, for example.

There's a great (and very relevant) quote from "The West Wing".

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-m...e-house,42075/

The second pill was four cents, the first pill was 400 million.

I see that BT have finally blocked TPB

[johnholmes]

Originally Posted by martyh

I see that BT have finally blocked TPB

BT have not here. Are you sure the website was not just down for a bit?

Originally Posted by johnholmes

BT have not here. Are you sure the website was not just down for a bit?

i'm getting an "error site blocked" in firefox and I.E

[dilli-theclaw]

Me to, but it did take a whole 30 seconds or so to get round it - so i feel i am loosing my touch

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

Me to, but it did take a whole 30 seconds or so to get round it - so i feel i am loosing my touch

30 secs ......... newbie

I honestly thought that BT where taking their time over implementing the ban to find a more effective way but apparently not

[telfordcable]

still access here:

Admin edit (Chris): Link removed. Once again, for the hard of reading: DO NOT post links designed to help people get round the block the UK Courts have imposed on access to the Pirate Bay.