[MERGED] Poll: Same Sex civil marriages, yes or no.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by rogerdraig

not a yes or no answer really as i couldnt care less if civil marriages are allowed but i would object if that then leads to a law saying that religious buildings have to allow them

That's never even been suggested. We're talking same sex civil marriages, as per the thread title and poll wording.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

What the hell has marriage got to do with the ability to have children?? Gay couples can adopt/surrogate whether they are married or not and I'm sure that same sex marriages will have little impact on the number of children out there..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17249099

You can see why, Christanity is in a crisis!

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Originally Posted by danielf

Like others I am really struggling to make any sense of what the Cardinal is trying to say. Whatever slant I try to put on it, his remarks remain so fundamentally wrong.

Some interesting comments on the Beeb.







Just about sums it up...

Why can't the Catholic (and other churches) do more to campain against human rights abuses and wealth inequality?

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You whats ironic, the gay anthem Y.M.C.A is about thr Young Mens CHRISTIAN Association!

So Christains can say what they like about Gays, but their relgion is not 100% not associated with gays!

[Russ]

Nothing like making generalisations to emphasise a point hey?

[Kymmy]

Please remember guys that this is about same sex marriages and nothing to do with religion in general (apart from a few specific reports linking to the subject), please stay on topic.

[iFrankie]

Could someone tell me the different between the current civil partnership to civil marriage, are there more rights with civil marriage?

And of course i support it .

[danielf]

Originally Posted by iFrankie

Could someone tell me the different between the current civil partnership to civil marriage, are there more rights with civil marriage?

And of course i support it .

I don't think there are more rights with marriage. It's just that people object to not being allowed to call their partnership marriage.

Originally Posted by iFrankie

Could someone tell me the different between the current civil partnership to civil marriage, are there more rights with civil marriage?

And of course i support it .

If there's no difference, why call it something else?

If there is a difference, why should there be?

[Kymmy]

That's the whole point..

Civil partnerships were brought in to appease those against gay marriage and even since then a lot of viewpoints have changed..

[tweetiepooh]

Is there not an issue with the current proposals though that "religious groups" will not be allowed to refuse to marry homosexual couples? Or at least the C of E as the state church won't.
Our church group would not marry homosexuals as we believe that such a relationship is not something God approves of. (Can we leave this as read else this topic will get out of hand very quickly?)

We support the legal definition of marriage which is the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others. C4M - Coalition for Marriage

[danielf]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Is there not an issue with the current proposals though that "religious groups" will not be allowed to refuse to marry homosexual couples? <snip>

No, there isn't. This is about civil marriage only. Religious marriage is not affected, though religious institutions could opt to marry same-sex couples if they wish to do so.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Is there not an issue with the current proposals though that "religious groups" will not be allowed to refuse to marry homosexual couples? Or at least the C of E as the state church won't.
Our church group would not marry homosexuals as we believe that such a relationship is not something God approves of. (Can we leave this as read else this topic will get out of hand very quickly?)

We support the legal definition of marriage which is the voluntary union for life of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others. C4M - Coalition for Marriage

Can we dance and sing Y.M.C.A outside 8 Marshalsea Road, London SE1 1HL to annoy them becuase their views are wrong and out of date

These views should be stay in the history books along with this guy!

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Can we dance and sing Y.M.C.A outside 8 Marshalsea Road, London SE1 1HL to annoy them becuase their views are wrong and out of date

These views should be stay in the history books along with this guy!

Have you any idea how intolerant and narrow minded you come across as when you say that?

Granted his view is not a popular one but it is NOT your right to say his or anyone elses' view is 'wrong'.

Having that attitude makes you come across just as narrow minded and intolerant as he does.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Russ

Have you any idea how intolerant and narrow minded you come across as when you say that?

Granted his view is not a popular one but it is NOT your right to say his or anyone elses' view is 'wrong'.

Having that attitude makes you come across just as narrow minded and intolerant as he does.

I have been a bit harsh, but I feel that based religious fact that the claim "being gay is a sin" and "god hates gays" and "god is against gay marriage" is not as clear cut as that!

There is a lot of evidence that Religion have nothing against Homosexuality!

Remember that the Young Men's Christian Association has strong links to gay cuulture even though is a "Christian" organsation!

[Kymmy]

Off-topic, this thread is about same sex marriages and nothing else

[Alan Fry]

You can we why religion is in decline...