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Old 13-09-2017, 21:32   #391
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One lesson is never to get on the wrong side of Osborne. He is a fairly interesting character. He didn't even want the referendum, advised Cameron against it, but threw his entire career behind it. From what we know his real problem with May is not so much being fired but the way she did it. The guy holds a grudge.
I can understand why some folk hold grudges. But for a former chancellor of the exchequer to want the PM chopped up in to pieces, in to bags in a freezer that's going beyond normal, even if it was meant to be a joke, it is still sick.
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Well if it's a choice between May or Osbourne it's May allday everyday.
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Old 14-09-2017, 06:32   #393
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Well if it's a choice between May or Osbourne it's May allday everyday.
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I can understand why some folk hold grudges. But for a former chancellor of the exchequer to want the PM chopped up in to pieces, in to bags in a freezer that's going beyond normal, even if it was meant to be a joke, it is still sick.
To be honest I've always thought him rather creepy. Now he's added vindictive to the list of adjectives.
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Old 14-09-2017, 10:53   #395
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Oh I don't know, Gideon has gone up in my estimation, even if it's because he's a very good backstabber. Even he saw the disaster Brexit would be. All Dave's fault, who has gone very quiet.
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https://inews.co.uk/essentials/jerem...orrespondents/

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Indeed. The disaster that is Richard Burgon seems to have made clear that the plan for dealing with the press is copying the Trump model. I find it no more acceptable whatever place in the political spectrum the people doing it occupy. It's one thing to evade answering questions, another to show utter disdain for those asking the questions.
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Old 14-09-2017, 12:56   #397
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Indeed. The disaster that is Richard Burgon seems to have made clear that the plan for dealing with the press is copying the Trump model. I find it no more acceptable whatever place in the political spectrum the people doing it occupy. It's one thing to evade answering questions, another to show utter disdain for those asking the questions.
Yup. Politicians and their supporters don't want to be scrutinised and so turn it onto the media. Any negative stories about them are part of a conspiracy against them, any reporting that deviates from their narrative are lies.

At best they want there to be no actual concept of something being true and instead everything being a point of view, a best they want to be the only source of what is true.
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Well woopity-do the media are complaining about being abused. Such a shame.

They could stop it in a heartbeat if they spoke as one.

The media has the power that no political party has, it is the media that influences public opinion and is the outlet for any political party.

If the media as a whole turned around to the national executive and told them they will not tolerate abuse of reporters and henceforth will not report on any rally, speaches or publish any press releases how long do you think it would take for the Party to resolve the problem?
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Well woopity-do the media are complaining about being abused. Such a shame
The media isn't one monolithic bloc. They are however one of the best protections against corruption and abuses by government and those in power would very much like it if they were less powerful. If any reporting that undermined the likes of Burgon were meet with fierce resistance by the voters rather than the politicians.

An elected politician is asked if he supports illegal strikes and it's the BBC who are in the wrong for asking? It's madness.

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They could stop it in a heartbeat if they spoke as one.

The media has the power that no political party has, it is the media that influences public opinion and is the outlet for any political party.

If the media as a whole turned around to the national executive and told them they will not tolerate abuse of reporters and henceforth will not report on any rally, speaches or publish any press releases how long do you think it would take for the Party to resolve the problem?
As I said they're not one monolithic bloc so papers sympathetic to them would still report their actions. Plus as the opposition it is their job to cover them.
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If we are talking about MSM. Sorry but there can be an obvious bias and they will only publish what fits their narrative. The guardian, venomously Anti-Brexit. TheMirror Anti-Tory.

Sure the press are needed to call in to question and call people out but to hell with impartiality.

You only have to look at the US. CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, totally Anti-Trump and all three of them have been involved in writing false and fake stories about him, so it's why he calls them out for FAKE News on those negative articles, which do actually have a degree of truth to them.

It's now why I like to gauge multiple sources of news before believing just one. Else I just sit on the fence.
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If we are talking about MSM. Sorry but there can be an obvious bias and they will only publish what fits their narrative. The guardian, venomously Anti-Brexit. TheMirror Anti-Tory.
Yes but there are also papers with are venomously pro-Brexit and anti-Labour. It's the nature of a free press. But, for the most part, these are papers who employ actual journalists and break stories. The Guardian exposed the Snowden files, The Telegraph exposed MPs expenses and so on. They may be biased but there is still a journalistic principle at their core.

'Alternative' media is just hyper-partisan blogs written by one to a few people who don't do original reporting. They just campaign for their side.

The MSM have, at least in the past, had to co-exist with the other players as well. They couldn't go totally off-base and hence any major government scandal would cause the government to get flak from all the papers. The Sun supports the Tories but has gone after them, The Guardian went after the Labour government too.

Counter-intuitively the internet has narrowed the bubble people can live in. They can now get their news exposure customised to only these alternative news sources that let them live in the world they prefer. Corbyn can say on the BBC he never met with the IRA and it's 'debunked' by these news sources who attack Andrew Neil for being a stooge of the neoliberal lying MSM even when there are literally pictures of Corbyn meeting the IRA.

People are replacing the old MSM with hyper-partisan blogs/social media that well them what they want to hear, only link to sources with corroborate that, and dismiss everyone else as evil, scheming, liars.
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During the last election a teacher told his/her students not to talk to one of their peers because his father is Tory MP Bob Stewart.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/14/b...#disqus_thread

If we're going to be constantly reminded how wonderful the teaching profession is I hope that this sad individual will be appropriately disciplined. There should be no room inside our schools for bully-boy teachers who put their politics ahead of their students. Appalling behaviour from a so called professional!
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During the last election a teacher told his/her students not to talk to one of their peers because his father is Tory MP Bob Stewart.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/14/b...#disqus_thread

If we're going to be constantly reminded how wonderful the teaching profession is I hope that this sad individual will be appropriately disciplined. There should be no room inside our schools for bully-boy teachers who put their politics ahead of their students. Appalling behaviour from a so called professional!


I am not sure if it's always been like this but politics seems to be getting more divisive, more dehumanising and more angry. The only way someone can treat someone else like this is if they've already written them off as a human being or if they don't have any empathy.
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I am not sure if it's always been like this but politics seems to be getting more divisive, more dehumanising and more angry. The only way someone can treat someone else like this is if they've already written them off as a human being or if they don't have any empathy.
Politics has always been like that in my memory whether it be the likes of the NF/BNP or scum like Militant Tendency and their current equivalents. The internet just helps the extremists peddle their hatred and nastiness further afield.

For a so called teacher to do this to a pupil is quite outrageous and I hope one of the usual 'spokespersons' we're usually treated to when they have a gripe about something is going be to bold enough to come out and condemn this appalling behaviour. I have a sneaky feeling they won't however and if I'm right that'll say a lot about them and how far they're prepared to go in order to get what they want.

The routine silence and blind eye turning from the rose tinted brigade about this sort of thing is as ironic as it is telling about what they consider to be acceptable behaviour and not. It's only a nasty Tory after all isn't it eh and they and their families are fair game...
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During the last election a teacher told his/her students not to talk to one of their peers because his father is Tory MP Bob Stewart.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/14/b...#disqus_thread

If we're going to be constantly reminded how wonderful the teaching profession is I hope that this sad individual will be appropriately disciplined. There should be no room inside our schools for bully-boy teachers who put their politics ahead of their students. Appalling behaviour from a so called professional!
Sounds like you don't much like teachers then
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