U.S Election 2016 - Page 23

adzii_nufc · 16-10-2016, 19:12

That last one never happened in the way a lot of people think. I did explain it pages back.

Edit: Damien already did it.

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When Hilary was a lawyer - she was doing her job, protecting her client. - This was Trump being clever, days after being brought up on his nonsense he uses Hillary protecting a man from a rape charge. The point in this case he made was Hillary was then caught laughing about the case. He tried to make her look hypocritical. - General Explanation

My input on the Lawyer situation. It was to my understanding she never wanted the case, she was left with little option. Her laughing was never to points about rape or the victim. It was just twisted that way, not by Trump but by others for years previously. Trump merely brought it back up to use as ammo. A little digging and research into the subject will reveal that most of the story is warped in trying to make Hillary look pretty bad. So whilst Trump wasn't lying, he wasn't exactly presenting the proper facts of it. Source: http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinto...ghed-about-it/

This isn't me agreeing with anything, this is me explaining the ideas behind his statements in my own words and using sources to help you better understand what Trump was getting at. So you see, even if the last point is borderline BS, which it is, it doesn't matter, it makes her look bad because people are happy to eat it up without even questioning it. She laughed, but did she laugh at a 12 year old rape victim? No. Do people believe she did before or after? Yes. Trump used it for this exact reason. Again he's using facts but they're very skewed in his favour.
These weren't arguments presented in the form you think they were, they were presented in the form of attacking Clinton and her husbands reputation. They had nothing to do with any debate really.

**Hugh** · 16-10-2016, 19:22

She didn't get him off, she got him to plead guilty - fact.

**Mick** · 16-10-2016, 19:26

Either way, you can keep throwing link after link at me - it means jack all.

End of the day, I stand by that Hillary Clinton would be a disaster for President.

I also said earlier in this thread, Trump would not be perfect but we don't want a lying corrupt individual, who is said to have cost lives and would cost many more as President, that would be HC.

**Damien** · 16-10-2016, 19:29

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Either way, you can keep throwing link after link at me - it means jack all.

But the stuff you're saying is quite literally untrue. Courts are a matter of public record.

And as for lying if you say you don't want a lying corrupt person but you're ignoring evidence of that being true of Trump.

**Mick** · 16-10-2016, 19:32

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And as for lying if you say you don't want a lying corrupt person but you're ignoring evidence of that being true of Trump.

In your opinion.

Ramrod · 16-10-2016, 19:39

Neither of them are ideal candidates, by a long way. But trump is his own man whilst Hillary has been bought and paid for. I know who I'd be voting for.

(edited to keep on topic)

**Damien** · 16-10-2016, 19:41

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Neither of them are ideal candidates, by a long way. But trump is his own man whilst Hillary has been bought and paid for (as was Sanders). I know who I'd be voting for.

Who was Sanders brought by? Genuine question, I wasn't a big fan of his but thought most of this money were small donations...

Ramrod · 16-10-2016, 19:44

Clinton Cash

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Who was Sanders brought by? Genuine question, I wasn't a big fan of his but thought most of this money were small donations...

https://www.opensecrets.org/politici...wMem=N&recs=20

btw, I've edited my post above to keep on topic because I sense what I said about Sanders could be used against my argument about Hillary.

16-10-2016, 19:45

I think we are all forgetting one important thing here .Whatever god awful choice the American public make it's the rest of the world that will suffer

Ramrod · 16-10-2016, 19:54

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Spot on.

Glad to see you not been 'sucked in' like some of the others in this thread.

Indeed. He's not ideal by a long way but if he gets in it will feck up the ongoing worldwide socialist/liberal/one world govt plan for a while. Which can only be a good thing.

**Damien** · 16-10-2016, 20:02

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Indeed. He's not ideal by a long way but if he gets in it will feck up the ongoing worldwide socialist/liberal/one world govt plan for a while. Which can only be a good thing.

Just to point out socialist/liberal aren't compatible. Most left-wingers in America closer to the liberal type. Sanders was closer to being a socialist. You'll find more liberals on the right rather than left (and I am not talking about libertarianism). If you think you hate liberals then go to a Corbyn-supporting meeting and you'll see people who really hate liberals.

Trump is a nativist protectionist. I.E He eschews world trade and free markets (or at least he suddenly has). I am not actually sure where you would place him on a traditional political compass. He isn't a traditional Republican though.

Ignitionnet · 16-10-2016, 20:12

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Just to point out socialist/liberal aren't compatible. Most left-wingers in America closer to the liberal type. Sanders was closer to being a socialist. You'll find more liberals on the right rather than left (and I am not talking about libertarianism). If you think you hate liberals then go to a Corbyn-supporting meeting and you'll see people who really hate liberals.

Trump is a nativist protectionist. I.E He eschews world trade and free markets (or at least he suddenly has). I am not actually sure where you would place him on a traditional political compass. He isn't a traditional Republican though.

For some reason the corruption of 'liberal' used as a slur in the United States seems to be reaching our shores, powered largely by people watching / reading right-wing shock jock output.

**Damien** · 16-10-2016, 20:23

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For some reason the corruption of 'liberal' used as a slur in the United States seems to be reaching our shores, powered largely by people watching / reading right-wing shock jock output.

I would say it's confusing for us since America is probably more along the liberal scale than we are but for the most part it's not something that easily breaks down between party lines, much like here. A true British liberal party would take in members from Labour and the Tories (alongside the Lib Dems obviously).

**Mick** · 16-10-2016, 20:24

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Neither of them are ideal candidates, by a long way.

Precisely. Anybody with half a brain can realize what is going on here.

I don't agree with everything Trump says or does but he is the better option to Hillary, I am sorry, actually I am not sorry, but he just is, and I don't care what he said in private, in a video 11 years ago, I think saying he is racist is a bit far fetched as well (I know it wasn't you who said it), in that that he has many black supporters and of people from ethnic backgrounds willing to vote for him.

I respect many of my American friends judgement on him, many of my American friends, some who are successful multi millionaires, cannot stand the thought of HC becoming the President.

DJT would rock the establishment to it's core and well, HC is, or has been a part of it for many years. But it is her judgement which is called in to question here, she has done so many bad things, made many errors while part of that establishment and in my opinion, she isn't to be trusted, at all.

**Hugh** · 16-10-2016, 20:38

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Just watch the video. Gawd!

And you could watch this one where he is shown contradicting himself (repeatedly)

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politi...-origwx-bw.cnn

But I suppose it's CGI put together by the world cartel ruled press...

It's so unfair when people use what you've actually said against you...

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Precisely. Anybody with half a brain can realize what is going on here.

I don't agree with everything Trump says or does but he is the better option to Hillary, I am sorry, actually I am not sorry, but he just is, and I don't care what he said in private, in a video 11 years ago, I think saying he is racist is a bit far fetched as well (I know it wasn't you who said it), in that that he has many black supporters and of people from ethnic backgrounds willing to vote for him.

I respect many of my American friends judgement on him, many of my American friends, some who are successful multi millionaires, cannot stand the thought of HC becoming the President.

DJT would rock the establishment to it's core and well, HC is, or has been a part of it for many years. But it is her judgement which is called in to question here, she has done so many bad things, made many errors while part of that establishment and in my opinion, she isn't to be trusted, at all.

Not sure if 1-2% can be counted as 'many black supporters'...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...-black-voters/

And the 2% figure comes from Fox News, that well-known Liberal Lefty organisation...