U.S Election 2016 - Page 64

**Damien** · 09-11-2016, 20:44

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Thank you Damien and others, for a thoroughly enjoyable discussion on the US Election 2016.

I think we managed to stay on topic

Frankly it's up to them now. I'm not sure on the maths but apparently 2018 will largely be the Democrats defending senate seats whilst the various ways the districts are drawn up means they are unlikely to get a majority in the house for the foreseeable future. Trump has at least 3/4 years with a Republican House and Senate. He'll be relatively free to do what he wants.

My bigger concern is what impacts us and that is foreign policy. He wants to tear up the Iran deal and replace it with a better one, but that deal took years and many nations. What will he replace it with? With will happen about Eastern Europe? If Putin asks for the removal of some NATO defences will he comply? And so on.

The other side is maybe he moderates? He is a bit of a wild card but he was never especially policy focused in debates or in interviews. The first clue we'll get is who he appoints to his cabinet.

I still deeply dislike the man. I think he fails the standards of decency. How he talks about women, minorities and other groups makes me fearful he is now the most powerful man in the world but we don't need to revisit all that again

**Paul** · 09-11-2016, 20:45

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Gun free zone? There is no such thing.

Actually, there is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Fr...es_Act_of_1990

Quite controversial, as it affects people who just happen to live near a school.

**Damien** · 09-11-2016, 20:54

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I said and knew he'd win also, there is a world wide movement of ordinary people that have seen the standard of living drop consistently since the start of the millenia whilst the people at the top get richer at their expense, any flavour of politician elected has only maintained the status quo so it shouldn't come as a surprise that the people turn to someone else.

One aspect to remember about this rebellion of the people thing is that it's clearly a split. Brexit was close whilst Clinton actually won more votes. This is division within nations between their people. As for it being about the rich, Trump still won that demographic it's just he also cut into the democrats appeal to lower income voters as well.

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The next election to reflect this imo will be the Italian referendum

Le Pen in France is what I imagine everyone is watching now. Juppé is well ahead in polling. It couldn't possibly happen....could it?

09-11-2016, 21:37

One thing is for sure the old political establishment better wake up and change or this won't be the last time elections give a surprise.

TheDaddy · 09-11-2016, 21:37

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One aspect to remember about this rebellion of the people thing is that it's clearly a split. Brexit was close whilst Clinton actually won more votes. This is division within nations between their people. As for it being about the rich, Trump still won that demographic it's just he also cut into the democrats appeal to lower income voters as well.

Le Pen in France is what I imagine everyone is watching now. Juppé is well ahead in polling. It couldn't possibly happen....could it?

A vote for clinton was a vote for more of the same, trump might be loaded but no one could say he's part of the establishment

**Damien** · 09-11-2016, 21:53

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A vote for clinton was a vote for more of the same, trump might be loaded but no one could say he's part of the establishment

Not as much as Clinton certainly but he is loaded, always on the outskirts of politics by donating to them, endorsing them, inviting the Clinton's to his wedding and attending the White House Correspondent Dinners etc. I would classify someone who is very wealthy, well connected and has many TV shows as part of the establishment too. I think we overuse that word anyway.

Still it my point is more is to reflect how divided the vote was yesterday. Like Brexit we say it's the people vs the establishment but it appears to only be half of them and then another half who want something else. It's the people vs the people.

Jimmy-J · 09-11-2016, 22:00

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A vote for clinton was a vote for more of the same, trump might be loaded but no one could say he's part of the establishment

He'll be a puppet just like the rest were. Everyone who voted for him will be calling him rotten in a few months.

adzii_nufc · 10-11-2016, 00:21

I'm optimistic we might see relations with Russia improve from a western standpoint. I know its always a pain in the arse to actually achieve but it's something I want to happen. I want Russia to be an active part of our world, not the current situation of two countries consistently whinging at each other and then having Russia pull off some sketchy business.

Great thread though, still more to come but the main course is done with. Mick put up a hell of a fightand came out on top that was entertaining to scroll through over the past weeks. Damien was consistently updating the thread and providing insightful info for those of us who hadn't grasped the way the vote could go and how and explaining many other things.

TheDaddy · 10-11-2016, 01:58

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Originally Posted by Damien

Not as much as Clinton certainly but he is loaded, always on the outskirts of politics by donating to them, endorsing them, inviting the Clinton's to his wedding and attending the White House Correspondent Dinners etc. I would classify someone who is very wealthy, well connected and has many TV shows as part of the establishment too. I think we overuse that word anyway.

Still it my point is more is to reflect how divided the vote was yesterday. Like Brexit we say it's the people vs the establishment but it appears to only be half of them and then another half who want something else. It's the people vs the people.

If the people were listened to there wouldn't even be extreme candidates to vote for

Dude111 · 10-11-2016, 06:13

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The voting system in America is laughable, it really is. Maybe when Trump says the system is rigged, it appears to really be the case.

It was rigged as always!!

She had the most pop votes but he won.............. Totally disgusting.....

Pierre · 10-11-2016, 06:54

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Brexit was close whilst Clinton actually won more votes.

A 100,000 or so last I saw, which out of a voting total of around 135million is not really a margin at all. I'd call it a tie.

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It was rigged as always!!

She had the most pop votes but he won.............. Totally disgusting.....

Yeah just as bad as UKIP getting around the same number of votes as the SNP, they get 20 odd seats and UKIP gets 1.

The system is the system, no good complaining about it.

10-11-2016, 07:09

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A 100,000 or so last I saw, which out of a voting total of around 135million is not really a margin at all. I'd call it a tie.

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Yeah just as bad as UKIP getting around the same number of votes as the SNP, they get 20 odd seats and UKIP gets 1.

The system is the system, no good complaining about it.

Seems to be plenty of demonstrations going on against Trump from (presumably) Clinton supporters who only a few days ago where all saying that Trump should accept the result as democracy at work instead of refusing to accept it

papa smurf · 10-11-2016, 07:17

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Seems to be plenty of demonstrations going on against Trump from (presumably) Clinton supporters who only a few days ago where all saying that Trump should accept the result as democracy at work instead of refusing to accept it

sounds familiar .

heero_yuy · 10-11-2016, 09:10

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Le Pen in France is what I imagine everyone is watching now. Juppé is well ahead in polling. It couldn't possibly happen....could it?

Yes! We all know how reliable that is these days...

**Damien** · 10-11-2016, 09:14

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A 100,000 or so last I saw, which out of a voting total of around 135million is not really a margin at all. I'd call it a tie.

Oh yeah. My point isn't that she morally won the election but that we shouldn't make sweeping statements about the electorate when it's very divided. This election was decided by a minority of votes in a few swing states, had there been only a minor difference in turnout/votes in those states and Clinton won we equally couldn't have pretended Trump was outright rejected.