Eurozone will collapse...

[Alan Fry]

The best way to start dealing with Europes problems is a United States of Europe, which we need right now!

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No what he has done is stop France and Germany dictating to us what we can and cannot do and that has to be a win win situation.


Now give us a REFERANDOM on leaving

win win if you dont mind losing trade.

Also this statement from cameron was more about protecting these precious banks than much else. The message to me seems very clear, the banks mean more than our relationship with europ and the trade with europe.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

win win if you dont mind losing trade.

Also this statement from cameron was more about protecting these precious banks than much else. The message to me seems very clear, the banks mean more than our relationship with europ and the trade with europe.

You don't seem to realise that, like it or not, the financial sector accounts for 10% of UK GDP - 10% of our trade. What should Cameron have done about the threat to it? Just allowed that business to move elsewhere where it's cheaper and less regulated than in Europe?

If you asked the French to renegotiate the CAP to reduce the benefits they get from it they'd tell you to get stuffed. Cameron's done just that hasn't he? As the terms of the way forward become clear it'll be interesting to see where the cuts fall and whether the likes of the French accept their share of the burden.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The best way to start dealing with Europes problems is a United States of Europe, which we need right now!

You seem to be the only person on this forum shouting for it. Tell you what why not start a thread or ask the mods to start a poll in this thread and ask the question.

Should there be a United States of Europe YES or NO,


Go on i dare you.

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Osem

You don't seem to realise that, like it or not, the financial sector accounts for 10% of UK GDP - 10% of our trade. What should Cameron have done about the threat to it? Just allowed that business to move elsewhere where it's cheaper and less regulated than in Europe?

If you asked the French to renegotiate the CAP to reduce the benefits they get from it they'd tell you to get stuffed. Cameron's done just that hasn't he? As the terms of the way forward become clear it'll be interesting to see where the cuts fall and whether the likes of the French accept their share of the burden.

doesnt it worry you that we so reliant on a so called financial sector?

what is the financial sector exactly, something that makes a small group of people very rich. Is this what the uk is about now?

Their CAP didnt bring half the world to its knees, whilst unregulated banking has.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

doesnt it worry you that we so reliant on a so called financial sector?what is the financial sector exactly, something that makes a small group of people very rich. Is this what the uk is about now?

Their CAP didnt bring half the world to its knees, whilst unregulated banking has.

Of course it does but it's where we are isn't it? Nothing we think, say or do can change that. The CAP is a massive drain on the EU budget - probably the single biggest although I may be wrong. When I see the French voting for it to be cut then I will be persuaded that their self interest has come second to the greater good.

You really need to disntiguish between the 'bankers' (fat cats) and the financial sector as a whole which employs well over a milion people most of whom earn fairly average wages. Sadly for us the money's been made and lost (on Gordon Brown's watch I should add). There's nothing we can do about that now, all we can do is try to protect what's left and try to ensure that it works in the national interest in future. Like it or not, having a properly regulated but profitable financial sector is key to the UK's future but I'd totally agree that a) reform is required and b) it'd be wise for us to develop other sectors of industry also to spread the risk.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

You seem to be the only person on this forum shouting for it. Tell you what why not start a thread or ask the mods to start a poll in this thread and ask the question.

Should there be a United States of Europe YES or NO,


Go on i dare you.

Why don't you start a thread on

Should Britain be isloated from Europe's economy

Should Britain world status decline

Should Britains Economy decline

Should Britain become a developing nation

Should we be ruled by backwood looking tories

Should Britain have anohter war against France and Germany

Go on i dare you

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

Why don't you start a thread on

Should Britain be isloated from Europe's economy

Should Britain world status decline

Should Britains Economy decline

Should Britain become a developing nation

Should we be ruled by backwood looking tories

Should Britain have anohter war against France and Germany

Go on i dare you

No i will go with a poll on should we have a united states of euope

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Sirius

No i will go with a poll on should we have a united states of euope

It is people like you that will send Britain back to the developing world

[Kymmy]

More discussion less bickering please

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

More discussion less bickering please

fine, but there is a clear anti-EU bias round here!

[Osem]

What Britain has asked for was a means by which to protect a key sector of our economy in just the same way as you can be sure the Germans and French will do in coming weeks and months when reform is in the air. I really don't see the reform and the cuts being equally shared and it's when the detail becomes apparent that the real fallout will happen.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

fine, but there is a clear anti-EU bias round here!

No everyone has their own opinion, if though the rest have a different opinion than yourself it doesn't make you or them wrong..

Now back to civil discussion

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

fine, but there is a clear anti-EU bias round here!

Well if more people agreed with you there wouldn't be would there.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

fine, but there is a clear anti-EU bias round here!

There's a sickening strong pro EU bias on another forum I read. I'm not sure which I find more depressing. This forum is more civil however.