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Old 10-01-2017, 22:08   #781
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How transform Labour from mildly unelectable, to totally unelectable in one easy step.

Love to know what mastermind thought that policy up.

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Now, if you had said top Civil Servants (of which there aren't that many...), I would have probably agreed with you...
Or council Chief Execs.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Well that was a day-long train wreck. Perhaps this shows why comrade Corbyn doesn't "do" interviews.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Yes, that might explain it. He's ok when he's speaking to a group of people who like what he has to say but otherwise he's useless. He's a relic of the 1970's and was past his 'best before' date a long time ago.

There remains the question about what all those supposedly credible Labour big hitters are doing about the damage Corbyn is doing to their party. Where are the leaders amongst them? If they can't get rid of him then surely they must either resign themselves to being out of power for the foreseeable future or create a new party and leave Corbyn, his deluded groupies and the lefty lunatics to carry on telling themselves what they want to hear as they get voted into oblivion.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

There are definitely some credible alternatives to Corbyn, the problem is all of them know damn well how another leadership election would go down and none of them want a failed leadership challenge on their CV.

Current party rules put the power squarely in the hands of a very broad membership base that has been infiltrated with a large number of people who see Labour as a handy vehicle for pushing the ideas of the hard left. There aren't enough of them to keep Corbyn in power forever, but there are enough of them to keep him in power until almost everyone else in the party unites behind an alternative. Until that day comes, none of Labour's "big hitters" are going to make a move.

That day, I'd say, will come either in early 2019 or late in 2020. I don't believe there is anything Corbyn can do to endear himself to the British electorate and the 2020 election is the Tories to lose as things stand. If they make a complete disaster of Brexit (by which I mean, a genuine, actual disaster, not merely a continuing stream of BBC/Guardian opinion pieces predicting disaster is just around the corner), then Corbyn could do reasonably well in the polls going into the election, and avoid the alternative, which is that in early 2019 his party finally reads the writing on the wall and removes him in an attempt to avoid a wipeout.
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The problem is that Labour is the alternative to the Tories in our system. It may be unimaginable that he wins but the last year as seen many things we assumed were not possible happen.

The people behind the hard left aren't completely stupid. They know what they're doing. They know Corbyn will probably lose the election but they aren't thinking of 2020 but 2025 or 2030. The idea is to take over the Labour party until it's institutions, rules and membership until they've got a hold on it for good then they just have to wait for government. This was the strategy of the old communists towards the party, to support Labour as a noose supports a hanged man, and it's their strategy now too.

It might not work but that is their idea.
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The people behind the hard left aren't completely stupid. They know what they're doing. .
That's where your argument ends.
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The problem is that Labour is the alternative to the Tories in our system. It may be unimaginable that he wins but the last year as seen many things we assumed were not possible happen.

The people behind the hard left aren't completely stupid. They know what they're doing. They know Corbyn will probably lose the election but they aren't thinking of 2020 but 2025 or 2030. The idea is to take over the Labour party until it's institutions, rules and membership until they've got a hold on it for good then they just have to wait for government. This was the strategy of the old communists towards the party, to support Labour as a noose supports a hanged man, and it's their strategy now too.

It might not work but that is their idea.
Yes, that be what they think but if it is it just goes to show how deluded they are. The more they insist on propping up an ineffectual Corbyn, the more the ordinary people Labour's supposed to be representing in the meantime will be able to see what they're really about and feel utterly neglected by the party.

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There are definitely some credible alternatives to Corbyn, the problem is all of them know damn well how another leadership election would go down and none of them want a failed leadership challenge on their CV.

Current party rules put the power squarely in the hands of a very broad membership base that has been infiltrated with a large number of people who see Labour as a handy vehicle for pushing the ideas of the hard left. There aren't enough of them to keep Corbyn in power forever, but there are enough of them to keep him in power until almost everyone else in the party unites behind an alternative. Until that day comes, none of Labour's "big hitters" are going to make a move.

That day, I'd say, will come either in early 2019 or late in 2020. I don't believe there is anything Corbyn can do to endear himself to the British electorate and the 2020 election is the Tories to lose as things stand. If they make a complete disaster of Brexit (by which I mean, a genuine, actual disaster, not merely a continuing stream of BBC/Guardian opinion pieces predicting disaster is just around the corner), then Corbyn could do reasonably well in the polls going into the election, and avoid the alternative, which is that in early 2019 his party finally reads the writing on the wall and removes him in an attempt to avoid a wipeout.
Interesting.

They've already had one wipeout in Scotland and the legacy of that is going to reduce the probabilty of a Labour majority hugely I'd have thought regardless of who's running the show at the time.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Well we know what one of Labour's 'big hitters' is doing about Corbyn's reform of the Labour Party.

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Tristram Hunt to quit as Labour MP to be V&A Museum's director, triggering by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38608825

Presumably he's tired of flogging a dead horse and is swapping dealing with one old relic to dealing with lots of them.
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It really is beyond a joke at this point.

It's funny and amusing at first but the Leader of the Opposition is a serious job and it's shameful the degree to which he is shirking that responsibility.
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One Labour MP told the Politics Home website: “Tristram has been talking about this for a while, so it's no surprise that he's decided to go.

“There are scores of us who would quit if we had another job to go to because we know that the party has no chance at the next election.”
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It's nice to know that sense of public service and honouring a commitment to serve your constituents is flourishing within the Labour Party.
Such faith in his leadership must be heartwarming for Corbyn.

Still at least Hunt was so respected by his constituents that a massive 19% actually voted for him.
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Re: Corbyn's kerfuffle

Tristram Hunt was the poster child for central office parachuting a candidate in to a party safe seat. UKIP came second to him last time, but he still had a majority of 5,000.

It'll be interesting to see how Labour play it. Do they get someone local to try and steal votes back from UKIP? Or do they parachute someone else from central office to stand on Corbyn's record as leader?
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It's nice to know that sense of public service and honouring a commitment to serve your constituents is flourishing within the Labour Party.
Mmmmm.

I think if any of us were really unhappy with the boss of the company we worked for, and knew there wasn't much chance of him being replaced for 3 or 4 years, and within that time we would be likely out of a job (in this case, during the next election), we would be actively "seeking further opportunities elsewhere", rather than waiting for the hammer to fall...
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Unite union gave Mr Corbyn a £25,000 interest-free loan in July and a further £50,000 in August to fund last summerís leadership campaign.

But before the first instalment was due, the debt was written off, according to an entry in the register of MPsí interest.

Unite also gave the Labour leader free office space worth £21,856 for his campaign, bringing the total to almost £100,000 worth of financial backing.

In return Corbyn has helped bring back the left wing union back to centre stage in the Labour fold.
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Unite have certainly bought their man.
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