Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by Jimi

The SNP don't have any problems.

Bless.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Jimi

The SNP don't have any problems.

Well aside from their white paper being ripped apart, an economic strategy based on fantasy, a European policy based on lies and fantasy etc etc then yes everything is fine and rosy in natland.

[Osem]

I needed a laugh too... God only knows what sort of mess Salmond's cronies will make of running Scotland. Has anyone up there considered what'll happen if/when it all goes horribly pear shaped with no nasty English folks to blame for all their ills? Maybe there'll need to be referendum to see what the rest of the UK thinks of letting them back in. Now that'd be interesting...

If they vote to leave and it all goes wrong tough luck on coming back to the UK and why should we as soon as everything gets sorted no doubt at high cost to the UK they will kick off again. No you want out and vote for it your stuck with it come what may.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

If they vote to leave and it all goes wrong tough luck on coming back to the UK and why should we as soon as everything gets sorted no doubt at high cost to the UK they will kick off again. No you want out and vote for it your stuck with it come what may.

We will have to have a referendum if that happen. Letting them back in 1% telling them to go forth 99%

[Pierre]

Just come back from a few days in Glasgow, And just like my few days in Edinburgh in Feb, all taxi drivers say........no.

( this is not a scientific poll)

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Just come back from a few days in Glasgow, And just like my few days in Edinburgh in Feb, all taxi drivers say........no.

( this is not a scientific poll)

Still way more accurate than anything panelbase have come up with.

Because when you hail a taxi, you choose your taxi driver at random. When you commission a Panelbase poll, you get the services of their massive cohort of nationalist volunteers.

Do we have the breakdown of the poll itself? I.E How they weighted responses and so on?

What we have is the one polling organ favoured by Nats consistently showing a higher %age for Yes than any other poll, and a tacit admission that its sample has been skewed by its decision to close to new members a few weeks ago - I will find a link for that news story in the morning.

Originally Posted by Chris

What we have is the one polling organ favoured by Nats consistently showing a higher %age for Yes than any other poll, and a tacit admission that its sample has been skewed by its decision to close to new members a few weeks ago - I will find a link for that news story in the morning.

Yes but the breakdown would still be interesting. Especially if they've asked what party they would vote for if an election for the Scottish Government was happening. If they've asked this then we can see if they weighted the poll or just polled the members and put the results out. If there is an unusually higher number of SNP voters then that would cast doubt upon the headline figure. Also if the cybernats have been clever and not been honest about their choice of party to avoiding the weighting then we might see a odd anomaly were a surge of undiscovered Conservatives in Scotland have been found and turns out they support Yes!

It's hard to lie convincingly across the board. We should anomalies in the underling data is my point....We know it's an outlier and we suspect it's because they over-represent the SNP vote but more evidence helps.

[Mr Angry]

Drip, drip, drip.

Scotland likely to choose independence, foreign diplomats believe

"Sources in diplomatic corps in Edinburgh say tide of opinion has shifted, while opinion polls show increase in support for yes vote".

Recent opinion Polls haven't shown an increase in support for the Yes vote:

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2...gress-stalled/

I am also not really sure what's going on with The Guardian's recent set of stories where some unnamed source adds something to the debate. The last story didn't take off precisely because the minister who said the Currency Union happened didn't show their face so we had no way of knowing if they were credible or not. Also the 'diplomatic corps' don't have a say nor are they psephologists.....

I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, the seps will be sunk.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, they will be sunk.

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I think the Yes inclination has probably got as high as it's going to. The Daily Record/Survation poll quoted by the Graun shows a slight drop for Yes, the only polling organisation that shows steady or rising support for Yes is coincidentally the same one used by Yes Scotland, the SNP and Wings Over Scotland. Anyone who can spot what those three have in common, answers on a postcard please.

Meanwhile the Better Together camp is sticking to its plan, no matters how much the
Nats want everyone to believe they're panicking. They have got all the bad news out early, on the basis that when a family stops fighting, the facts they were fighting over are still facts. Come referendum day the arguments over the currency and the EU will have given way to cold, hard uncertainty over the consequences of a Yes vote for the currency everyone grew up with and nobody wants to lose. And, they haven't actually embarked on their own national campaign yet. So far, the UK Gov has done its bit, the EU has done its bit, but BT is yet to launch its full-on charm offensive. That gets underway after the European elections, much closer to the actual referendum, when it will matter.

Let's not forget, there has never been a settled majority in favour of separatism in Scotland, the SNP did not win an outright majority at the Holyrood elections in 2011, and the deliberate feeding of unremittingly negative messages into the campaign by the No camp has not resulted in the sort of mass movement against the UK that the seps predicted and are still desperately hoping for.

Once Better Together really gets started, and shows the seps off for the narrow minded, insular, reckless lot they are, they will be sunk.

Posting that twice really is bullying Salmond's Tartan Twits. You know that don't you...