[MERGED] Poll: Same Sex civil marriages, yes or no.

Originally Posted by danielf

And they're all called marriage, just as the secular thing called civil marriage.

Either way: we don't accept that any religion (or religion in general) can claim the term marriage, or its definition. The reality it that there is a secular thing called marriage as well, and secular marriage is set to change. Religious institutions may decide to upgrade their definitions if they want to. If they don't that's fine, but they can't tell us what to do.

Problem is though that many do not believe there can be such a thing as secular marriage,i am one, but i do understand what you mean and it may surprise you to know i see it as inevitable .Religion will survive as it always has done ,the die hards will eventually die out and the church will change as has happened since we have had religion

How do you feel about my marriage, then, which was carried out at a Registry Office?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Right.Can someone please explain to me the difference between the civil partnership that my daughter went through with my new daughter-in-law in September and the one being proposed by David Cameron?

In religious terms it is not a marriage as it is not between man and woman and cannot be consummated ,and it's that last bit that will ultimately prove to be the sticking point in the argument between the cofe and the government ,it will end up in court to sort it out imo

Originally Posted by martyh

In religious terms it is not a marriage as it is not between man and woman and cannot be consummated ,and it's that last bit that will ultimately prove to be the sticking point in the argument between the cofe and the government ,it will end up in court to sort it out imo

You haven't answered my question.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

You haven't answered my question.

I tried personally i don't think cameron understands the implications or trouble he's causing himself

Could it be there IS no difference?Except that those religious institutions who want to officiate at said same sex partnerships are free to do so if they wish or not if that's their desire.

Also I did not marry in church but I regard myself as married.Being an atheist I chose deliberately to marry in a registry office.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Could it be there IS no difference?Except that those religious institutions who want to officiate at said same sex partnerships are free to do so if they wish or not if that's their desire.

Also I did not marry in church but I regard myself as married.Being an atheist I chose deliberately to marry in a registry office.

As i said earlier ,i think it's a rather cynical attempt to get some more votes from the gay community and ..............possibly the atheist one

Originally Posted by martyh

Problem is though that many do not believe there can be such a thing as secular marriage,i am one, but i do understand what you mean and it may surprise you to know i see it as inevitable .Religion will survive as it always has done ,the die hards will eventually die out and the church will change as has happened since we have had religion

Doesn't matter if people don't 'believe' in secular marriage, it exists. If you have a civil (secular) marriage then you're married in the eyes of the law, you tick 'married' on official forms, you officially have a wife/husband, you can't marry someone else is a religious or civil ceremony and so on.

Now, for that institution we're talking about allowing gay people to do the same. If people don't believe in it then what does it matter if we allow gay people to do it?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Not true. Civil partnerships in this country are only recognisable in some other countries (even some British overseas territories they would not be counted as partners,) where as marriages would give a gay couple a lot more protection outside of the UK...

So in simple terms under a CP if a partner fell ill whilst on holiday on most countries they would have no rights to decide medical treatment, repatriation and in some countries even simple things such as visiting rights. Where as if they were married (even a same sex marriage) they would be recognised as the spouse in most countries..

It's not just about the UK...

I got married in on a hotel balcony in Greece.

I don't even know what my marriage certificate says, as it's in Greek.

Originally Posted by Pierre

I got married in on a hotel balcony in Greece.

I don't even know what my marriage certificate says, as it's in Greek.

Heaven knows what you've agreed to then!

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by Damien

Heaven knows what you've agreed to then!

Donner kebab and chips?

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Donner kebab and chips?

I think he has probably agreed to take on a large portion of Greece's debt.

Everyone well versed in the Trojan Marriage Debt Certificate scam. Dam Greeks....

[Kymmy]

It's officially a cop out

The Church of England and Church of Wales will be banned in law from offering same-sex marriages, the government has announced.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20680924

Why don;t they just give the churches the option to perform them or not and leave it at that????

Originally Posted by Kymmy

It's officially a cop out



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20680924

Why don;t they just give the churches the option to perform them or not and leave it at that????

To stop individual churches breaking with the organisation? I don't care so much about that. It's not a cop-out as everyone else will be able to do so whilst religious organisations will be allowed not to do so. Win - Win.

[Russ]

As expected some anti-religionists on my fb are saying the new laws don't go far enough and that all churches ought to be forced to accept gay marriages if requested. Superiority, not equality is only good enough for some people clearly.