Bring Back Fox Hunting

[Angua]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Don't know, would having a gallop support the local economies built up on the back of hunting, also you wouldn't need the hounds either. I think they have some sort of mock hunt anyway, drag hunting I believe it's called.

There are a large number of stables locally and AFAIK none of them had any Hunt related activity so losing the hunting may not have had the huge impact those in favour would have us believe. The major impact would be on the hounds and their keepers as I could not imagine much happening to the "precious" horses.

In the grand scheme of things the decimation of the mining and steel industries had and still has a huge impact on areas of the country. Compared to this the loss of Hunting, one relatively small, non productive, unnecessary activity it pales into insignificance.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Angua

In the grand scheme of things the decimation of the mining and steel industries had and still has a huge impact on areas of the country. Compared to this the loss of Hunting, one relatively small, non productive, unnecessary activity it pales into insignificance.

In the grand scheme of things I don't think hunting is important at all, far, far from it and there is no denying that the job loss is in any way comparable to mining or steel however if your one of the 10 000 odd that makes their living from it I'd say it was pretty damn significant, in fact I still remember an MP on Question Times answer to a audience member that quoted that figure and how he had never done anything else work wise, her answer was tuff, great answer, wonder if she gives her constituents the same answer.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Angua

There are a large number of stables locally and AFAIK none of them had any Hunt related activity so losing the hunting may not have had the huge impact those in favour would have us believe. The major impact would be on the hounds and their keepers as I could not imagine much happening to the "precious" horses.

In the grand scheme of things the decimation of the mining and steel industries had and still has a huge impact on areas of the country. Compared to this the loss of Hunting, one relatively small, non productive, unnecessary activity it pales into insignificance.

So a steel workers livelihood is more important than a hound keepers?

Are you a labour voter by any chance?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So a steel workers livelihood is more important than a hound keepers?

Are you a labour voter by any chance?

I think it's about the scale of things...

Originally Posted by Angua

There are a large number of stables locally and AFAIK none of them had any Hunt related activity so losing the hunting may not have had the huge impact those in favour would have us believe. The major impact would be on the hounds and their keepers as I could not imagine much happening to the "precious" horses.

In the grand scheme of things the decimation of the mining and steel industries had and still has a huge impact on areas of the country. Compared to this the loss of Hunting, one relatively small, non productive, unnecessary activity it pales into insignificance.

Careful, you're getting a little close to the sort of tawdry class rhetoric I'm sure you don't really subscribe to ... at least I hope you don't.

Nothing and nobody is insignificant, and we do well to remember that governments will always ultimately fail if they continually ignore problems that they consider too small to be worth their time.

Having said that, if hunting really is that insignificant it begs the question, why did this Labour Government dedicate such a vast amount of parliamentary time to banning it?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Chris

Careful, you're getting a little close to the sort of tawdry class rhetoric I'm sure you don't really subscribe to ... at least I hope you don't.

Nothing and nobody is insignificant, and we do well to remember that governments will always ultimately fail if they continually ignore problems that they consider too small to be worth their time.

Having said that, if hunting really is that insignificant it begs the question, why did this Labour Government dedicate such a vast amount of parliamentary time to banning it?

Ah, nothing like context eh? Clearly, the statement was about the economic significance of hunting being relatively small.

Originally Posted by danielf

Ah, nothing like context eh? Clearly, the statement was about the economic significance of hunting being relatively small.

It's not clear at all. You seem to have ignored social significance. Both may equally be read in the post.

[danielf]

In response to this?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Don't know, would having a gallop support the local economies built up on the back of hunting, also you wouldn't need the hounds either. I think they have some sort of mock hunt anyway, drag hunting I believe it's called.

I doubt it...

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by danielf

Ah, nothing like context eh? Clearly, the statement was about the economic significance of hunting being relatively small.

And so denying them of their livelihood is not a big issue? Nothing to concern ourselves with?

So at what level do you believe it becomes worthy of recognition?????

Should we set a sliding scale?

How about if it only affects less than a thousand then they can just go a whistle.

1000-5000 we listen sympathetically

over 5000 we'll become outraged.

Yes, that's fair.

[injuneer]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I beg to differ - a small minority may have these tendencies, but I believe that the majority of humanity actually care for each other.

I have to disagree there, I think a minority do care but in my 50 odd years life experience & observation I think the caring side in the majority is only skin deep. If modern civilisation collapsed we would all descend into anarchy very quickly IMO. The reality is it's a dog eat dog (or Fox ) world out there.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Pierre

And so denying them of their livelihood is not a big issue? Nothing to concern ourselves with?

I didn't say that.

So at what level do you believe it becomes worthy of recognition?????

Should we set a sliding scale?

How about if it only affects less than a thousand then they can just go a whistle.

1000-5000 we listen sympathetically

over 5000 we'll become outraged.

Yes, that's fair.

No-one said it's fair. It is the way of the world though. Any decision is bound to impact on others, and there will always be a tradeoff between people's interests. Number of people affected will feed into that tradeoff.

[Angua]

Originally Posted by Pierre

So a steel workers livelihood is more important than a hound keepers?

Are you a labour voter by any chance?

Not a Labour supporter however I do think that producing something as an end product of your work is worth more than just providing a service that does not improve peoples life.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Angua

Not a Labour supporter however I do think that producing something as an end product of your work is worth more than just providing a service that does not improve peoples life.

Very blinkered, sad and embittered view,

Firstly Fox Hunting does improve peoples lives as it gives them enjoyment, whioch is one of the most important commodities in living.

A life without enjoyment is a sad and empty life.

Now doubt you feel the same way about:

Dance instructors
Actors
Comedians
Artists
Atheletes
Footballers (all sportsmen in general)
etc,etc,etc

Let alone all the people that workm in the countrys various service industries.

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Originally Posted by danielf

I didn't say that.

True, but I interpreted that you stood on that side of the argument.

No-one said it's fair. It is the way of the world though. Any decision is bound to impact on others, and there will always be a tradeoff between people's interests. Number of people affected will feed into that tradeoff.

This is the issue though.

The peoples interests weren't taken into account.

The government for their own reasons wanted to ban fox hunting, I don't think the vast majority of people in the country cared.

[snowey]

Originally Posted by Angua

Not a Labour supporter however I do think that producing something as an end product of your work is worth more than just providing a service that does not improve peoples life.

Now thats what I call, talking sense.....

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by snowey

Now thats what I call, talking sense.....

An end product does not need to be a tangible physical object.