How stupid is the water ban

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Don't clean it, grow spuds.

As long as I don't use a hosepipe to water them

I'd just like to point out...that isn't actually my car

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

As long as I don't use a hosepipe to water them

I'd just like to point out...that isn't actually my car

Aye right you are ,personally i just think you are damn lazy letting your car get in that condition

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

So you are telling me that your system will just make all this dirt fall off the car?



If you use a good wax, or even better a resin polish and then wax, then grit won't stick to the paint. And the resin polish puts a layer on top of the paint that protects it.

There are two pages of reviews here. Many give 5 stars, but it's worth reading the ones that don't: http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-revi...owViewpoints=1

No of course I'm not saying that. In fact if you'd actually read my earlier reply to you on the subject I specifically said that in such situations getting the excess off with water first would be best.

Originally Posted by Osem

If you read the reviews by people who've actually used it you will see it doesn't do that. It lubricates the surfaces to prevent any scratching and both our cars are paint swirl free zone unlike the ones I used to wash the traditional way. Having said that, I think large amounts of dried on mud etc. would be better softened with water and the worst removed before using the product.

After the stuff's been applied the first time it cfreates a barrier which then protects the paint work with a carnuba wax finish not dissimilar from the sort of stuff you already say you're using by the sound of it. The main difference about this product is that it stops the dirt from scratching the paint as the cleaning process is carried out.

As for the reviews if you check the Ideal World TV site for the product you will see pages and pages of 5 star reviews. In fact IIRC it's that channel's all time biggest seller for a number of years. Now don't tell me that fact coupled with all those reviews isn't enough evidence that it's worth trying, especially when you get your money back if it doesn't live up to expectations. Of course some people don't get on with some products and sometimes that's because they don't use them properly. All I can do is report what I've actually done and tried and until you do the same you can only base your opinions on those of others.

62 pages of nearly all 5 star reviews = an average rating of 4.8/5.

I don't see many products of any type with that number of ratings and that average.

http://www.idealworld.tv/BOGOF_Greas...e#BVRRWidgetID

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Osem

No of course I'm not saying that. In fact if you'd actually read my earlier reply to you on the subject I specifically said that in such situations getting the excess off with water first would be best.



After the stuff's been applied the first time it cfreates a barrier which then protects the paint work with a carnuba wax finish not dissimilar from the sort of stuff you already say you're using by the sound of it. The main difference about this product is that it stops the dirt from scratching the paint as the cleaning process is carried out.

So you would have to wash it with water the first time, otherwise it will seal in the grime.

Originally Posted by Osem

As for the reviews if you check the Ideal World TV site for the product you will see pages and pages of 5 star reviews. In fact IIRC it's that channel's all time biggest seller for a number of years. Now don't tell me that fact coupled with all those reviews isn't enough evidence that it's worth trying, especially when you get your money back if it doesn't live up to expectations. Of course some people don't get on with some products and sometimes that's because they don't use them properly. All I can do is report what I've actually done and tried and until you do the same you can only base your opinions on those of others.

62 pages of nearly all 5 star reviews = an average rating of 4.8/5.

I don't see many products of any type with that number of ratings and that average.

http://www.idealworld.tv/BOGOF_Greas...e#BVRRWidgetID

I'm very suspicious of any product that has pages and pages of 5 star reviews, as most of them are often fake. A perfect example of this is Ergoflex.

I tend to read all the ones that aren't 100% positive, as you tend to get a more realistic review that way.

You also have to to take into account that many people will leave a review after the first time they use it. This doesn't take into account long term use. One of the Amazon reviewers did go into the long term use.

I think the Amazon ratings probably give a better picture.


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Originally Posted by martyh

Aye right you are ,personally i just think you are damn lazy letting your car get in that condition

But just think how much I have saved the environment

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I'm very suspicious of any product that has pages and pages of 5 star reviews, as most of them are often fake. A perfect example of this is Ergoflex.

excellant advice ,i went to this site for some advice but having seen all the positive reviews i rapidly became suspicious so decided to go elsewhere

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

So you would have to wash it with water the first time, otherwise it will seal in the grime.



I'm very suspicious of any product that has pages and pages of 5 star reviews, as most of them are often fake. A perfect example of this is Ergoflex.

I tend to read all the ones that aren't 100% positive, as you tend to get a more realistic review that way.

---------- Post added at 14:13 ---------- Previous post was at 14:12 ----------



But just think how much I have saved the environment

You will only have to use water in EXTREME situations like those in the picture you showed. 99% of the time I use no water but if I were a farmer cleaning my tractor with it I'd use water more often. The product does not seal in the dirt, it lubricates it away from the surface without scratching and leaves everything perfectly clean except for the cloth you use of course.

It seems you're suspicious when products have bad reviews and suspicious when they have too many good reviews. So when a product comes out which is a great product and is widely accepted as being so by a large number of people, you'll avoid that product because you believe too many good reviews are a sign of something dodgy going on? I believe that's taking cynicism a tad too far.

The only comment I can make about the reviews on the Ideal World site are that there are plenty of negative
reviews posted on various other products so there's no way the company are selecting only the positive reviews and unlikely that the reviews for this product are dubious. Also, they offer a money back guarantee so they'd hardly be selling a product for years that people kept on returning because it failed to work as promised.

Anyway, I was sceptical at first but unlike you I've actually been using the product for several years now so I have first hand experience to go on. Now that's more important than any number of reviews.

I really don't know why you don't just buy some and try it, then comment on something you've actually used. It's not like it's expensive is it? I mean you haven't really got much to lose have you. I use it all over the home now - it's great on any hard surfaces including glass and stainless steel, of which our kitchen has quite a lot. It's by far the best cleaner I've used for such surfaces as it's virtually effortless to use, removes grease etc. and doesn't scratch anything. It also seems to keep those pesky fingerprints off the stainless steel fridge door for ages and for that it's worth it's weight in gold.

Anyway since I very sadly don't own shares in the company and this is a thread about the drought, I'll make this my last post on the subject and wish you happy cleaning whatever you decide.

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

excellant advice ,i went to this site for some advice but having seen all the positive reviews i rapidly became suspicious so decided to go elsewhere

Well where are all the fake positive reviews?

---------- Post added at 14:47 ---------- Previous post was at 14:42 ----------

Originally Posted by Osem

You will only have to use water in EXTREME situations like those in the picture you showed. 99% of the time I use no water but if I were a farmer cleaning my tractor with it I'd use water more often. The product does not seal in the dirt, it lubricates it away from the surface without scratching and leaves everything perfectly clean except for the cloth you use of course.

It seems you're suspicious when products have bad reviews and suspicious when they have too many good reviews. So when a product comes out which is a great product and is widely accepted as being so by a large number of people, you'll avoid that product because you believe too many good reviews are a sign of something dodgy going on? I believe that's taking cynicism a tad too far.

The only comment I can make about the reviews on the Ideal World site are that there are plenty of negative
reviews posted on various other products so there's no way the company are selecting only the positive reviews and unlikely that the reviews for this product are dubious. Also, they offer a money back guarantee so they'd hardly be selling a product for years that people kept on returning because it failed to work as promised.

Anyway, I was sceptical at first but unlike you I've actually been using the product for several years now so I have first hand experience to go on. Now that's more important than any number of reviews.

I really don't know why you don't just buy some and try it, then comment on something you've actually used. It's not like it's expensive is it? I mean you haven't really got much to lose have you. I use it all over the home now - it's great on any hard surfaces including glass and stainless steel, of which our kitchen has quite a lot. It's by far the best cleaner I've used for such surfaces as it's virtually effortless to use, removes grease etc. and doesn't scratch anything. It also seems to keep those pesky fingerprints off the stainless steel fridge door for ages and for that it's worth it's weight in gold.

Anyway since I very sadly don't own shares in the company and this is a thread about the drought, I'll make this my last post on the subject and wish you happy cleaning whatever you decide.

It's quite simple in my eyes. If you wipe over grit with a cloth, then that grit will stay on the cloth and scratch the paint the first time it is used, when there is no protective layer built up.

Dodgy reviews are often posted by the manufacturer rather than the retailer.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Well where are all the fake positive reviews?

no idea mate ,just following your excellant advice about sites with loads of positive reviews

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

no idea mate ,just following your excellant advice about sites with loads of positive reviews

As I said, where are all these poitive reviews on review sites you talk about?

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

As I said, where are all these poitive reviews on review sites you talk about?

did you click the link ?

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

did you click the link ?

Yes I did. And they are all genuine reviews, copied and pasted direct from customers e-mails. They aren't on a review site used to attract people to the site. You need to be on the site already to view them.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I'm very suspicious of any product that has pages and pages of 5 star reviews, as most of them are often fake.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Yes I did. And they are all genuine reviews, copied and pasted direct from customers e-mails. They aren't on a review site used to attract people to the site. You need to be on the site already to view them.

You may know they are real but no -one else does ,so following your advice i will assume the reviews on your site are fake or at least a large portion of them .
I was merely making the point that you cannot state other sites' reviews may be fake whilst insisting the ones on yours are not .
Anywhoo that's all off topic

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by martyh

You may know they are real but no -one else does ,so following your advice i will assume the reviews on your site are fake or at least a large portion of them .
I was merely making the point that you cannot state other sites' reviews may be fake whilst insisting the ones on yours are not .
Anywhoo that's all off topic

I can see what you are saying. But anyone who has seen my mattress advice site will see that unlike many retailers, I tell the truth.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

I can see what you are saying. But anyone who has seen my mattress advice site will see that unlike many retailers, I tell the truth.

i'm sure you do

[rogerdraig]

desalination is the key i know many will shout about cost and energy but as i see it its an excellent oppertunity for renewables from solar and tidal to produce the energy both electical and physical to run and pump the water

i refuse in a country surrounded by the stuff to limit my use of it

i rycycle and cut use of energy in my life and have ben doing so long before it was the in thing to do but this is just daft when we are an island