Pensions - no wonder there are strikes

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

Yes with all those rants, insults, incitements and hypocritical ramblings, how on earth does he find time to run that massive transport organisation he's in charge of I wonder?

(unless of course it's really just a trainset on his bedroom floor...... )

All you are doing is just taking this agument away from the real issues, do you come from a world were there is no such thing as a iphone or ipad?

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do give money to the homeless and direct them to charities, but the money of the rich will make a much bigger diffrence tham me alone

Also under a "World government" I will make it clear that we are in power not for our sake, nut for the sake for Humans and Earth. There will still be a independent media (all under the BBC), if they find sometihng wrong, they can report it

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I am not a extremist, i have not anything in relation to communism and facism, all I have said Is that we need radcial reform to democracy and capitalism via democratic means or not

And that is the really worrying thing about your rants Alan. And it is what will eventually get you locked up if you don't tone down your Twitter and Facebook posts.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Nobody in here is defending either this government, or even the provious government. In fact if you follow many peoples posts you will see that most of us realise how we got into this mess.

However none of us are suggesting violence, murder, riots, or terrorism, unlike you do.

The trouble is that real and radcal change cannot be easily achived thorugh democratic means (you and your friends have not convice me even less)

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

And that is the really worrying thing about your rants Alan. And it is what will eventually get you locked up if you don't tone down your Twitter and Facebook posts.

Until you can get me direct links to world businesses and government, I cannot see why I should change what I am saying

All I want is real and radical change, what you may ask your self, how failed is the system when someone wants change, this is almost the only way to do it?

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

The trouble is that real and radcal change cannot be easily achived thorugh democratic means (you and your friends have not convice me even less)

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Until you can get me direct links to world businesses and government, I cannot see why I should change what I am saying

All I want is real and radical change, what you may ask your self, how failed is the system when someone wants change, this is almost the only way to do it?

The situation is bad, and nobody will argue with that. But most people with common sense can see that most of your ideas will make things far worse. And the few ideas that you have that may work in theory are pure fantasy, and could NEVER work in practice, due to different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs.

The one thing that all sane people do know is that violence and terrorism is not an option, and never will be.

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Each union talks about things that concern their members. Firefighters are in a completely different situation to teachers, NHS, local government workers, etc..

So what your union tells you will apply to you. Don't try and apply what the FBU say to yourself, because that simply won't work.

Tim, I am applying that you stated that the FBU said that the Firemen's employers contributions were the lowest in the Public Sector at 21% (I am in the Public Sector) - I provided evidence from Public Sector pension providers and two of the major Public Sector Unions which contradicted that statement by showing their Public Sector employers' contributions were 13 - 14%.

I think that works for me....

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Tim, I am applying that you stated that the FBU said that the Firemen's employers contributions were the lowest in the Public Sector at 21% (I am in the Public Sector) - I provided evidence from Public Sector pension providers and two of the major Public Sector Unions which contradicted that statement by showing their Public Sector employers' contributions were 13 - 14%.

I think that works for me....

Well if that works for you then that's fine.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

The situation is bad, and nobody will argue with that. But most people with common sense can see that most of your ideas will make things far worse. And the few ideas that you have that may work in theory are pure fantasy, and could NEVER work in practice, due to different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs.

The one thing that all sane people do know is that violence and terrorism is not an option, and never will be.

My ideas will fix the problems that we are facing and improve the way the world is run as I have stated on many occasion. Also I have taken the fact there are different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs and that most people would benefit more (which I have also stated on several occasions) and they should be able to see that, the ones that disagree will not have any choice

I do not want violence and terrorism to ever be an option for real and radical change, but based on how it can be accepted at democratic elections and the views of pretty much everyone at CF, I am not convinced that real and radical change can be done via democratic means (though I am still open to it)

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

My ideas will fix the problems that we are facing and improve the way the world is run as I have stated on many occasion. Also I have taken the fact there are different views, cultures, religions, and beliefs and that most people would benefit more (which I have also stated on several occasions) and they should be able to see that, the ones that disagree will not have any choice

So that isn't true democracy then is it??? A dictator will make them comply!!!

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

I do not want violence and terrorism to ever be an option for real and radical change, but based on how it can be accepted at democratic elections and the views of pretty much everyone at CF, I am not convinced that real and radical change can be done via democratic means (though I am still open to it)

You openly promote violence, murder, riots, and terrorism on Twitter and Facebook. This isn't acceptable in a civilised society.

And Alan, please stop sending me PM's. I'm never going to be converted to your extremist views.

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

So that isn't true democracy then is it??? A dictator will make them comply!!!



You openly promote violence, murder, riots, and terrorism on Twitter and Facebook. This isn't acceptable in a civilised society.

And Alan, please stop sending me PM's. I'm never going to be converted to your extremist views.

If a majority of the worlds population agree (which is the case) then they have no choice

And on what basis do you think we are in a civilised society, I mean a lot of the worlds population is in poverty (a lot of people in the UK are the same), we have many wars, many dictatorships and in all the world, the rich rul at our exepene with dire conqunces!

Still call it a civilised society?

[Osem]

Im just wondering if Alan feels guilty being paid to be a 'senior manager' and spending so much of his time doing other things.

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Originally Posted by Alan Fry

so many dictatorships and in all the world,.. blah blah blah

and the answer to so many dictatorships around the world is to have one great big one?

[Tim Deegan]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

If a majority of the worlds population agree (which is the case) then they have no choice

Reality check Alan: You can't even get anyone on this forum site to agree with you. So what chance do you think you have on getting the majority of the worlds population to agree with you?

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

And on what basis do you think we are in a civilised society, I mean a lot of the worlds population is in poverty (a lot of people in the UK are the same), we have many wars, many dictatorships and in all the world, the rich rul at our exepene with dire conqunces!

Still call it a civilised society?

So you want to declare war on almost all of the countries in the world, in order to force them to agree with you???

I seems to think that a certain person called Adolf tried that one

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Originally Posted by Osem

Im just wondering if Alan feels guilty being paid to be a 'senior manager' and spending so much of his time doing other things.

Yes Alan, answer the question....just how do you get away with it???

I would have thought that a senior manager for a company that employs 10,000 staff would be extremely busy during the day.

Originally Posted by Osem

and the answer to so many dictatorships around the world is to have one great big one?

And guess who that dictator would be??

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Yes Alan, answer the question....just how do you get away with it???

I would have thought that a senior manager for a company that employs 10,000 staff would be extremely busy during the day.




And guess who that dictator would be??

Yes and we only have to check out his bizarre and wholly distasteful rantings elsewhere to find out what he'd do to anyone with the temerity to disagree with him....

[gazzae]

[Alan Fry]

Originally Posted by Osem

Im just wondering if Alan feels guilty being paid to be a 'senior manager' and spending so much of his time doing other things.

No, that is not the case

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Originally Posted by Osem

Im just wondering if Alan feels guilty being paid to be a 'senior manager' and spending so much of his time doing other things.

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and the answer to so many dictatorships around the world is to have one great big one?

My world government will not be a dictatorship

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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan

Reality check Alan: You can't even get anyone on this forum site to agree with you. So what chance do you think you have on getting the majority of the worlds population to agree with you?



So you want to declare war on almost all of the countries in the world, in order to force them to agree with you???

I seems to think that a certain person called Adolf tried that one

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Yes Alan, answer the question....just how do you get away with it???

I would have thought that a senior manager for a company that employs 10,000 staff would be extremely busy during the day.




And guess who that dictator would be??

Unlike this forum, most of the world are in poverty and would be richer and have job under world government. Hence most nations would agree!

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Originally Posted by gazzae

It seems to be the defnders of a failed system have lost it again!

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

My world government will not be a dictatorship :td

Originally Posted by Alan Fry

all I have said Is that we need radcial reform to democracy and capitalism via democratic means or not