Hamas Israel War

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

Israel can absolutely be blamed for it’s location and expansion. They aren’t some passive actor, or a victim of chance, when they seize Palestinian land to give it to Israeli settlers.

Your two points are unconnected. Gaza was previously Egyptian territory which they lost int the 1967 war. Egypt didn’t want it back when the two countries made peace.

The Israeli settler issue is a disgrace and doesn’t help matters. I hope tha Palestinians keep out of this.

As is widely reported, this culture clash is founded on Iran’s desire to eradicate Israel. Hamas and Hezbollah are their soldiers intent only on murder. In UK, those same types did the 7/7 atrocities.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

@noel43

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread. Chris's thread title is bigoted, no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

I think you are being harsh here. I think "terrorist" is an accurate description of these people who carried out these attacks. Killing unarmed old & young civilians is a clear example.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I think you are being harsh here. I think "terrorist" is an accurate description of these people who carried out these attacks. Killing unarmed old & young civilians is a clear example.

Does that make Israel a terrorist state?

[noel43]

Originally Posted by Paul

and yet you just did ...




Hamas is designated as a terrorist group by the UK [and the EU] as well as the USA.

In fact, by Australia, Canada, European Union, Israel, Japan, Organization of American States, Paraguay, United Kingdom, United States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

(The EU and OAS is over 50 countries in total)

Maybe so. Was the Marquis (WW2) in France considered terrorists ''no'' they were classed as freedom fighters. Israel is an occupying force and Hamas is trying to get them out of Palestine. Lets face we do what usa says, most of those countries mentioned rely on america in some form or other.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

I think you are being harsh here. I think "terrorist" is an accurate description of these people who carried out these attacks. Killing unarmed old & young civilians is a clear example.

I believe isreal bombing and destroying civilian high rise buildings is also terrorism. Any attacking force can say enemy forces were hiding in building.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Does that make Israel a terrorist state?

Yes has been for a long time.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

@noel43

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread. Chris's thread title is bigoted, no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

Only because they're scared to call them what they are.

What do you call someone that murders a daughter in front of her parents, Sister and Brother?

A freedom fighter?

What do you call someone that kidnaps a young German tourist from a music festival then gang rapes and murders her then parades her half naked body around in a pick up, whilst inviting others to spit on it?

The poor oppressed?

What do you call someone that machine guns three old ladies waiting for a bus.

Brave?

No, I think terrorist sums them up perfectly. They're not soldiers, Militants or guerillas. They're Criminals.

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Originally Posted by noel43

Was the Marquis (WW2) in France considered terrorists ''no'' they were classed as freedom fighters..

Did they do any of the following?

What do you call someone that murders a daughter in front of her parents, Sister and Brother?

A freedom fighter?

What do you call someone that kidnaps a young German tourist from a music festival then gang rapes and murders her then parades her half naked body around in a pick up, whilst inviting others to spit on it?

The poor oppressed?

What do you call someone that machine guns three old ladies waiting for a bus.

Brave?

If you want to compare Hamas to the Maquis, I would happily do so if they just attacked the IDF, or other strategic targets.

I don't know about you but I'm not for the raping of young women, and cold blooded murder of OAPs and Children.

If you are, then good for you.

[jfman]

A customary glance at anyone’s favourite search engine will find the IDF have raped Palestinian women and girls in the past. Does that make everyone who supports their actions, their war crimes, “pro-rape”?

Or is it just important if the victim meets a certain profile.

Both are bad…

If one doesn’t condemn Hamas raping and killing civilians, does that make one "pro-rape"?

Or is it just important that the perpetrators meet a certain profile?

Originally Posted by Ms NTL

@noel43

I agree with you but I don't participate in this thread. Chris's thread title is bigoted, no major non-Israeli news organization call Hamas terrorists.

Chris’ thread title accurately reflects the designation given Hamas by the British government, also the EU, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Japan. So away with you and whistle. And even if you wish to try to draw a distinction between Hamas as a political movement and this weekend’s actions, I am simply not going to debate with you or anyone else whether the scenes we witnessed yesterday in southern Israel are terrorism or not. These were the actions of terrorists, perpetrating terrorism. If you wish to equivocate on this, shame on you.

[pip08456]

This is about to get bigger. 100,000 troops being assembled by IDF to wipe out Hamas, 300,000 reservists being called up to bolster the IDF to repel further incursions.



IMHO (and many others) this is all sponsored by Russia via their proxy Iran and to distract from Ukraine. The failure of the West to give more timely resorces needed for Ukraine to win rather than defend has caused this.

Russia welcomes weakness, get ready for another war in the Balkens with Serbia and Kosovar. The more they can distract the West and face no repercussions the more they will do so. Just like Hitler in the 1930.s

We have learnt nothing from history.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by jfman

Does that make Israel a terrorist state?

In some contexts, I would say yes. Things get more complicated when trying to apply simple labels to state-level entities.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

A customary glance at anyone’s favourite search engine

There's many stories of allegations

The below was Convicted and rightly jailed, for his crimes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending...stinian-woman/

I've read the story, there was nothing I could see about him then murdering her and parading her corpse around the streets, they must of left that bit out.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Pierre

There's many stories of allegations

The below was Convicted and rightly jailed, for his crimes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending...stinian-woman/

I've read the story, there was nothing I could see about him then murdering her and parading her corpse around the streets, they must of left that bit out.

So it'd have been alright if they left her alive then?

Pro-rape but anti-murder, at least we know where the line is I guess.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Both are bad…

If one doesn’t condemn Hamas raping and killing civilians, does that make one "pro-rape"?

Or is it just important that the perpetrators meet a certain profile?

Both are bad, as you say.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by jfman

Does that make Israel a terrorist state?

Definitely , having been to the area a few times , Israel definitely terrorises the ordinary poeple of Gaza . That said it is not except able action but the world really has no interest in upsetting israel . As it was put to me ,and make of this what you will . What would happen if the UN desided that a group of people need a homeland and moved them in to Yorkshire driving out the people there

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Itshim

Definitely , having been to the area a few times , Israel definitely terrorises the ordinary poeple of Gaza . That said it is not except able action but the world really has no interest in upsetting israel . As it was put to me ,and make of this what you will . What would happen if the UN desided that a group of people need a homeland and moved them in to Yorkshire driving out the people there

My good friend Seph has comprehensively gave his thoughts on that last point.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by jfman

Pro-rape.

Pro-rape? Wow, that’s a peach even for you.

I suppose a terrorist sympathiser will say anything as they know the ground they’re on is so weak.