Unstoppable migration?

[Osem]

Why bring Labour into this argument???



Anyone remember Brown's 'British jobs for British workers' BS?

[papa smurf]

bloody hell arthur your a national treasure your comments are priceless

[Osem]

Pity Brown didn't sell him off along with all that gold...

[mrmistoffelees]

A few years away from this board. It's like I never left

Good old Arthur..........

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Our fault for interfering again: You can be sure that if Gadaffi was still in charge there'd be no migrant problem originating from Libya.

Much as we despised the Middle East despots and tyrants they did keep their countries in order. Now we reap the rewards of meddling and leaving a mess.

Why do so many people keep insisting on talking complete and utter twaddle.

Watch the interviews with people. They are coming FROM places like Gambia, Ivory Coast, Sudan and going INTO Libya. It was happening when Gaddafi was in power.
Link

Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi says the EU should pay Libya at least 5bn euros (£4bn; $6.3bn) a year to stop illegal African immigration and avoid a "black Europe".
Speaking on a visit to Italy, Col Gaddafi said Europe "could turn into Africa" as "there are millions of Africans who want to come in".

[Osem]

It has been happening for years but not on this scale and the power vacuum left in Libya most certainly has exacerbated the situation.

Gaddafi was of course correct - if the qualification for entry into Europe is wanting a better life, then countless millions from around the globe will want to come here so who's going to decide when enough is enough?

[nomadking]

They go to Libya because of geography, ie closeness to Italy and not because of regime change.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nomadking

They go to Libya because of geography, ie closeness to Italy and not because of regime change.

Yes of course they do that. The two things are not mutually exclusive and gangs of traffickers are no doubt taking advantage of the situation.

[nomadking]

There are other "access points" to the EU that are used and which have nothing to do with regime change.

[Osem]

Of course there are. It's not solely to do with western imposed regime change.

[Taf]

Lampedusa is a major problem too. So easy to get to.

Since the early 2000s, Lampedusa has become a prime transit point for immigrants from Africa, the Middle East and Asia wanting to enter Europe. In 2004 the Libyan and Italian governments reached a secret agreement that obliged Libya to accept African immigrants deported from Italian territories. This resulted in the mass repatriation of many people from Lampedusa to Libya between 2004 and 2005, a move criticised by the European Parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampedusa

[Osem]

The European Commission will make the controversial proposal that EU member countries should take in refugees under an EU quota scheme.

The UN estimates that 60,000 people have already tried to cross the Mediterranean this year.

Migrants are being driven to make the journey by "horrific abuse" in Libya, according to Amnesty International.

More than 1,800 migrants have died this year in the Mediterranean, a 20-fold increase on the same period in 2014.

The European Commission's migration policy, to be announced on Wednesday, will also propose organising legal means for migrants to come to Europe so they do not turn to traffickers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32685942

Still nobody is acknowledging the tough reality about where this policy will lead. Wherever the target line is drawn there will be those who will still be prepared to take their chances. In these days of mobile communications/internet, these migrants must well aware of the dangers they face but still decide to try because the majority make it. Setting an arbitrary limit will do nothing except give encouragement for more people to make the journey knowing that the chances are they'll still be rescued, taken into Europe and allowed to claim asylum. If it's implemented, what will happen to those who try the 'legal means' route into Europe but are rejected? Will they just accept their fate or simply do the other thing which so many have done before them?

[nomadking]

Migrants are being driven to make the journey by "horrific abuse" in Libya, according to Amnesty International.

If it's that dangerous in Libya, why are they going there. These people are going through Libya to cross the Med. They are leaving Libya just as a route to get to Europe. If leaving a country is an indication of "horrific abuse" then what of those in Sangatte trying to leave France?

[Osem]

That's what I was wondering. Presumably some have found themselves trapped in Libya since it fell apart and have been trying to get out ever since but you have to wonder how many are still heading there in spite of the dangers they must know exist.

I can't see how anyone can refute the notion that offering more asylum to more people and making it easier, won't result in ever increasing numbers of people from around the globe trying to take advantage of it, heading off across continents through numerous safe countries to find what they're really looking for and becoming victims of all sorts of monsters. The point at which a red line has to be drawn can be argued but it seems patently obvious to me that sooner or later that's what will have to happen but who's going to be brave enough to say so?

[Osem]

EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini has pleaded for UN help to dismantle criminal groups smuggling migrants into the European Union.

"We need to count on your support to save lives," she told a Security Council briefing on EU plans to use force against smugglers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32695483

Ms Mogherini told UN representatives on Monday that an "exceptional response" was needed to deal with the "unprecedented" migrant flow.

But she said the situation was likely to continue as long as Libya lacked a government that had authority across the country.

"No refugees or migrants intercepted at sea will be sent back against their will," she added.

Isn't a statement like that simply going to inspire more people the head towards Europe?